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09 Sep 2005, 3:18 pm

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Well, Daniel prophesized that the EU will be a great world power. Daniel prohesized this in 586 B.C. when it looked like there would be no end to Babylonian power and he was right about the rise and fall of the Persians, Macedonians, and Romans (including their split in half), so I'd have to say that he has credibility when it comes to predicting Europe's eventual ascention as a superpower. The Bible alludes to many atrocities being comitted by the EU and it's allies during this period. There is also mention of China becoming a superpower as well in Ezekiel and Revelation. I'll have to check to see what Isaiah has to say about this period. Exekiel and Revelation also allude to the Arabs making a power grab, but that will end when they get anhilated by Israel because of their failed invasion attempt. The Bible speaks clearly that after the Arabs are no longer a factor, both the EU, China, and their remaining respective allies will mobilize their armies to try and seize control of the Eastern Hemisphere. This battle is supposed to take place at Meggido, Israel, where the ancient land trade routes to Africa, Asia, and Europe are still strategically important to this day.

Sean, where do you get this stuff from?

Penguin, China has taken the worst charactorists of communism (repression, no freedom of speech) and combined them with the worst features of capitalism (poverty, corporations, and a dog-eat-dog society). This poisoned soup of mixed philosophies will no doubt bring misery to all but a few lucky ones at the top.

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09 Sep 2005, 4:42 pm

I just hope the Great Lakes Consortium will have the sense to secede before the whole ship goes down.

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09 Sep 2005, 6:00 pm

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Penguin, China has taken the worst charactorists of communism (repression, no freedom of speech) and combined them with the worst features of capitalism (poverty, corporations, and a dog-eat-dog society). This poisoned soup of mixed philosophies will no doubt bring misery to all but a few lucky ones at the top.

Ever notice how that seems to keep happening whenever someone tries to build a communist government? Almost makes you think communism doesn't work as a system of government doesn't it?

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10 Sep 2005, 6:22 am

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RobertN wrote:

Ever notice how that seems to keep happening whenever someone tries to build a communist government? Almost makes you think communism doesn't work as a system of government doesn't it?

Communism, when enforced by martial law, as it was in China, will NEVER work. Socialism, on the other hand, when chosen as a system of government in a democratic country, will ALWAYS work. Capitalism, as a system of government (or rather economy) brings MISERY to all, even the rich. The Poor are miserable because they don't have even the necessities of life, the Rich are miserable because they are constantly struggling to hang on to their undeserved wealth in the face of people like me, who are trying to take it away from them.

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12 Sep 2005, 10:38 pm

China has and probably always will be a semi-superpower. They're too xenophobic ever be a true superpower.

I'd speculate that there won't be any nation that sticks out as a superpower in 100 years.

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13 Sep 2005, 11:57 am

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I'd speculate that there won't be any nation that sticks out as a superpower in 100 years.

Thats good. I like it when things are more equal.

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13 Sep 2005, 1:24 pm

Not really a multipolarised world can be quite choatic look at Europe from Treaty of Westphilia to WWI, while they didnt fight wars with each other they loved going around and claiming countries for themselves, hopefully that wont happen agian.

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13 Sep 2005, 2:47 pm

Though things are supposed to have moved on since then, Europe is still stronger than most of the world but they dont go around taking over countries any more. I for one look forward to the day when things are more even on a world scale.

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14 Sep 2005, 2:59 am

Nations don't "take over" other territories anymore because it's not profitable.
The perfect example being Iraq, The US is paying through the nose for it.

Europe becomes the next superpower?...

What do you mean by superpower? Does it mean one nation has the combined military power of all its rivals? Nukes are a wonderful equalizer among nations. The US and USSR were considered superpowers because they held the monopoly on nukes and ICBMs.

I think that's unlikely among nations who have nuclear weapons (Europe, China, India) can ever have "superpower"-like supremacy over its rivals.

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14 Sep 2005, 4:42 am

Yes there can never be a superpower dominance like in the past with at least 5 nuclear superpowers around unless in the unlikely event that they joined forces. Iraq is profitable for Bush's cronies in the arms, oil and construction trades, if not the average American taxpayer. Making war is always a good way of raising and redirecting money with a lot of it greasing palms.

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15 Sep 2005, 4:38 pm

"Socialism, on the other hand, when chosen as a system of government in a democratic country, will ALWAYS"

There is no emphasis on higher production.
That only works if you have unlimitted resources with easy and fast access.

That is why as i said earlier, P2P is the only socialist system that works.

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15 Sep 2005, 4:49 pm

Mithrandir wrote:

what?

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15 Sep 2005, 7:12 pm

I vote for India.

China has a huge roadblock called Communism which will inhibit growth in the long run.
India has a market economy, and a modern republican form of government.
Yet, India has hi levles of poverty, a still somewhat rigid social order, and low levels of development in many regions, problems which will have to be delt with as economic progress continues.

A plus for China, they are far more expansionist politically and militarily then India.

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16 Sep 2005, 12:50 am

But if the US goes down, so does it's companies, and their tech support departments. Where will Indians find work?

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16 Sep 2005, 12:55 am

That was perhaps the most racist thing Ive ever heard on these forums on a thread that shouldnt get racist at all congrats blade.

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16 Sep 2005, 2:38 am

it wasn't racist, endersdragon, it was a statement of economic fact.

what IS racist is the fact that western countries farm out work to developing countries, cos the labour there is so much cheaper.

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