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03 Mar 2008, 6:42 pm

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I'm a transhumanist and hope to live forever via technology.


Teleomerase in five years; piano still can fall on you.


Quantum Immortality, so, not in MY universe. Unless it's not.. :lol:



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04 Mar 2008, 5:36 am

I think the idea is a serious and sobering thought, on the other hand it is a thought that leads to the question why we are bothering to be serious and sober! Our time here is limited!


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04 Mar 2008, 3:21 pm

I agree that the fear of death isn't healthy in our modern society. This may sound kind of offensive but I think we spend way too much money trying to keep the elderly alive. If I was an 80 year old cancer patient I would rather just let nature take its course. Why waste taxpayer money keeping me alive an extra 5 years? I guess I can only speak for myself.

I think we fear death because it gives us motivation to survive harsh circumstances. If death was an easy option our early ancestors wouldn't have survived and we wouldn't be here. I don't think we can easily undo psychological traits that are born from evolution.



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04 Mar 2008, 5:28 pm

Odin wrote:
I'm a transhumanist and hope to live forever via technology.


Living forever would be exciting at first, what with all the freedom from fear and accumulation of wisdom. After awhile, though, perhaps around the age of 200, one starts to miss all the people around one who have perished. Being a widower a few dozen times over would get depressing. Plus, all the wisdom and the memories would weigh you down more and more, overwhelming your circuitry. Imagine having 900 year's worth of nostalgia, regrets, and grudges. 8O


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05 Mar 2008, 1:05 pm

yes we are all going to die, because one man and woman decided to eat an piece of fruit off of a tree wich somehow opend there eyes and they knew they were nakid. oh no, everyone dies because of that :lol:


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05 Mar 2008, 1:39 pm

Mortality is inevitable.
What you choose to do with that information is purely up to you. :idea:


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07 Mar 2008, 1:49 am

As Mark Twain said:

"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it."



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07 Mar 2008, 9:54 am

jdbob wrote:
As Mark Twain said:
"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it."
obviously i think mark twain was the man 8)


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08 Mar 2008, 7:19 am

As someone who is 82 years old, I still find life very interesting and have many things I have yet to do and would like to experience. In retrospect my life has seemed still rather short and as long as I am healthy and mentally capable I see no reason to want to live less than a couple of thousand years more. Unfortunately, the human race, despite its accomplishments and greater intellect than other animals, seems determined to make this planet inhabitable so it seems there is much more misery in the near future than during my past life and I shudder at what seems to be coming.



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08 Mar 2008, 11:44 am

I drink coffee so I can still remember who I am and can still go to the bathroom without the help of a catheter. :)


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11 Mar 2008, 9:39 am

I think people in the typical consumer cultures of the world tend to view death in terms of their lives. If life is accumulation and consumption, then death is the ultimate thief! No wonder death is so highly feared. When people view life as only the survival of the body or the accumulation of things, death is very frightening. Just as I believe life is more than survival and accumulation, I believe death is more than merely an end.



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11 Mar 2008, 9:43 am

Sand wrote:
As someone who is 82 years old, I still find life very interesting
wow thats pretty amazing, congrats :o



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14 Mar 2008, 5:47 am

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quote="MissPickwickian"]I have always thought that Americans are less aware and more ashamed of death than ever before. Instead the natural bookend of a life, it's a disease to be fought. Fear of death is sooooo obviously the root of our cult of youth and sexuality and our terror of not only feeling but merely looking old.


Ashamed? Maybe about looking like a grandmother someday but not about actually dying. I am very aware of death. I have considered joining the armed forces or something just so I could stop fixating on it so much. I think maybe if I actually got shot at or was in a near death accident I would bore myself with the topic and get on to actually living. I already feel old I don't want to look old. If I can afford plastic surgery when I am a old woman I am definitely going to get some. There is no rational reason for me to have to look old just because I am old. Shaw was right youth is wasted on the young but that doesn't mean people who are aging shouldn't try to get back and maintain their youthfulness. Youth is vitality. I dont want be like my grandparents when im in my seventies. There is nothing noble about sitting in an armchair and waiting and fearing for death to take you.


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We should welcome it, if only because it's not leaving anytime soon. You are going to die. I am going to die. We are all going to die. Get used to it. One of the multiple roots of all evil* is the human delusion of invincibility resulting from the human delusion of immortality.


I disargee entirely. Why welcome the inevitable? How is that going to make your life any better? I am the rare acception among people I know that I wants to be conscious during my death. But I don't want to have to think about it and accept it. When I am 80 maybe it will be different and I will pray for death but for now I rather push myself to invinciibility. The will to live is very strong and if makes me a little delusional so be it at least it gives me a edge over surviving a massive trauma. As for the drive to live and be immortal I think it actually drives people to do great things and actually have a passion for life. Passivity leads to defeat.



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Life isnt much worth living if you want to wallow in mediocre IMHO. I love order and symmetry so I guess the ideal of perfection really appeals to me. I don't think there is anything evil about it. I think it is human nature and a very valuable trait at that. People like to push themselves beyond the boundaries set before them. If they didn't quest for perfection there won't be any progress in anything let alone human advancement. I dont know what you mean by cruelty instinct or how that is necessarily always an evil thing. Sometimes survival requires cruelity; it just built into the system. Money is the root of all evil and nepotism is close behind.



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24 Aug 2008, 12:23 am

If one believes that to be true, it becomes almost acertained in my opinion. I intend to live as long as possible in biological form until an alternative develops, ad infinitum. If this does not happen I believe I will have another opportunity next time around. As for losing those around you, I imagine others will also have the choice to live or die. I will cherish the memories of those who moved on. Eventually, once I devote a few centuries to the study of continuum mechanics, perhaps I will shift over to another verse and visit the recently departeds alt. Or perhaps I could load up their program in a simulation. The act of being immortalizes us I think as being is recursive.



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24 Aug 2008, 1:33 am

Sand wrote:
As someone who is 82 years old,


Hmmm...did not know you were 82. I will start reading your posts more attentively.

I personally do not welcome death in any way. fear...dunno'



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24 Aug 2008, 7:21 am

I am not afraid of death but I am not afraid of life either. I am not afraid. I am and when I cease to be, I will die.