Socialism and Conformity

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Make everyone equal by removing the incentive for anyone to work harder and no one will do anything and the entire society will fail. This has been proven time and time again.

still working with the scarcity mentality, eh?

I don't see what the big debate is over socialism and conformity. Either you live in a sociaist society and you conform, or you get picked up by the secret police and get sent to a forced labor camp or get shot.

I am not a Republican! I am very left-wing and not wealthy, but I don't think that socialism is a good system.

RobertN, I think you should take this quiz at this site: http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp. I would really like to see your answers. By the way, if everyone lived like I do we would need 3.7 Earths.

I just now took the quiz to see how each person would have to live so we only need 1 Earth. That means no one could drive, have electricity, have running water, or eat meat, and each person would have to grow his or her own food. That sounds ideal to me. Frankly, RobertN, there are about 6 billion people on this planet and not enough resources to go around.

I'm afraid so Vivi . I can't get it through to them that if big johny businessman gives up a large portion of unneccessary wealth, there will be plenty to go around.

I did the quiz, Bec, and my score was 2.2 - considerably better than those tested in the US, I must say.

Footprint score was 4.

Number of Earth's was 2.2

Still, I question the validity of the quiz. There are millions of hectares not being used in the Third World that could be used, simply due to a wasteful economy, bad leaders, desertification, etc.

Perhaps if it require >1.0 Earths to accommodate the existing population numbers, that would tend to suggest something about the existing assumptions about a presumed right to breed without regard to the wider social implications. In The final analysis, it probably is not viable to entertain the notion of an utterly unrestrained presumption to breed indiscriminately without regard to wider ramifications.

Also, consider the likely impact that future advanced medical technologies may afford in terms of extending personal longevity, and the possible conflicts of interest that might conceivably arise as a result of overbreeding.

FOOD 4.4

MOBILITY 1.7

SHELTER 4

GOODS/SERVICES 5.2

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 15



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.




IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 3.4 PLANETS.

<i>"Either you live in a sociaist society and you conform, or you get picked up by the secret police and get sent to a forced labor camp or get shot."</i>

Iceland? Norway? Sweeden?

<i>"Make everyone equal by removing the incentive for anyone to work harder and no one will do anything and the entire society will fail. This has been proven time and time again."</i>

I don't think Communism/Socialism is about equalty. They just want the individual have more rights than they have now. You can certainly have a socialist state where difficult jobs pay more, and easy jobs pay less.

Did you try the site?
I will make another link in another thread.
This is about individual waste.
I am Canadian.
Try it and see.

Kind of like what has happened in history before, right? Like with Hitler and the Nazi concentration camps... or in such fictionalized worlds, such as Orwell's 1984. I don't think I'd like living in a socialist state very much.

Namiko, that is not what Socialism is about. Hitler's Germany was Fascist, which is on the far-right of the scale, wheras socialism is on the left. They are actually opposites!! ! Extreme conservatism is not too dissimilar to fascism. Just compare Bush's invasion of the Middle east with Hitler's invasion of Europe. Compare Bush's healthcare cuts for the poor with Hitler's killing of the Jews. Same result, isn't it, even if Bush is more subtle than Hitler.

CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 4.9
MOBILITY 1.2
SHELTER 3.7
GOODS/SERVICES 3.5
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 13

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON. WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 3 PLANETS.

Keep in mind I am a far right Republican and a lukewarm (at the moment) suporter of the Bush administration.

From each according to his abilities.

To each according to his needs.

That would mean that those that work hard for aquire what they have would get it taken away and see it handed to people that have done little to nothing for it. There are better ways to preserve personal liberty and improve people's living conditions (within the Country) than socialism such as motivating people using a form of capitalism that is regulated to some degree and using unions as well.

You seem to be conveniently overlooking the fact that the Communist Bloc's leaders weren't much nicer than Hitler, and some, Like Stalin, Chaichesciu (spelling?), Walter Ulbricht, Erich Honecker, Enver Hoxha (Albania), Mao Tse-tung, and Pol Pot (Cambodia) were just as evil.