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26 Mar 2008, 7:04 am

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Some of us are past all that stuff. And quite frankly, you religious types are slowing us down. It shouldn't be surprising if we get a little annoyed with you now and then.


i dont know if you consider yourself an atheist, but atheism is as much a religion as christianity. the same goes for the metaphysical loading of science that is quite common, these days.

and reading up on mircea eliade, you're likely to find yourself deeply rooted in religious behaviour, no matter how antireligious and secular you consider yourself to be. secularism doesnt guard from being religious. ;)

just to clarify: im not an agent of some religion, and pretty much a non-spiritual person - i just like clear terms and dislike hiding behind words and shortsighted arguments, like atheism automatically equalling non-religiousness, science making religion obsolete, etcetera...



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26 Mar 2008, 8:25 am

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Dance around fires, naked? Okay, I'm convinced! Sign me up!
Maybe the Heathens are overlooking a useful recruiting opportunity here pandabear. :lol:



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26 Mar 2008, 9:46 am

IMO, wicca is not a religion, and no it is not "basically a karma." Too many people misunderstand karma.



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26 Mar 2008, 9:49 am

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Dance around fires, naked? Okay, I'm convinced! Sign me up!
Maybe the Heathens are overlooking a useful recruiting opportunity here pandabear. :lol:


It sure beats wearing suits to listen to long boring sermons, and tithing.



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27 Mar 2008, 6:10 pm

pandabear wrote:
velodog wrote:
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Dance around fires, naked? Okay, I'm convinced! Sign me up!
Maybe the Heathens are overlooking a useful recruiting opportunity here pandabear. :lol:


It sure beats wearing suits to listen to long boring sermons, and tithing.


Oh and for the kids they learn how to use herbs instead of lame and intoxicating industrial paints. No need for TBN if you worship outdoors, either.


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27 Mar 2008, 6:21 pm

I don't hate them as individuals, but I don't care for their religion either.



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27 Mar 2008, 6:23 pm

I think it's because the Wiccan 'religion' is an even greater insult to Christianity than atheism is. To claim there is more than one God is seen to be worse than claiming there is none, for some people.


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27 Mar 2008, 6:28 pm

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I think it's because the Wiccan 'religion' is an even greater insult to Christianity than atheism is. To claim there is more than one God is seen to be worse than claiming there is none, for some people.


Atheism is worse IMO, because most atheists I've met are religious zealots with little tolerance.



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27 Mar 2008, 6:40 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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I think it's because the Wiccan 'religion' is an even greater insult to Christianity than atheism is. To claim there is more than one God is seen to be worse than claiming there is none, for some people.


Atheism is worse IMO, because most atheists I've met are religious zealots with little tolerance.


I've seen intolerance on all sides, and people usually combat intolerance with intolerance.

Maturity to discuss topics such as religion have nothing to do with which religion you have - or don't have - but rather it's depends solely on the people discussing it. Many people automatically want to impose their beliefs on others, and that's wrong, IMO.


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27 Mar 2008, 6:46 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
SilverProteus wrote:
I think it's because the Wiccan 'religion' is an even greater insult to Christianity than atheism is. To claim there is more than one God is seen to be worse than claiming there is none, for some people.


Atheism is worse IMO, because most atheists I've met are religious zealots with little tolerance.


I've seen intolerance on all sides, and people usually combat intolerance with intolerance.

Maturity to discuss topics such as religion have nothing to do with which religion you have - or don't have - but rather it's depends solely on the people discussing it. Many people automatically want to impose their beliefs on others, and that's wrong, IMO.


For myself I see Christianity as the only correct option, but it is everyone's free choice as to what they want to believe/think/etc.

I still think that Atheists tend to be the worse of the lot, based on experience. Theoretically what you say SHOULD be true, but I don't see it that way.



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27 Mar 2008, 6:46 pm

SilverProteus wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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I think it's because the Wiccan 'religion' is an even greater insult to Christianity than atheism is. To claim there is more than one God is seen to be worse than claiming there is none, for some people.


Atheism is worse IMO, because most atheists I've met are religious zealots with little tolerance.


I've seen intolerance on all sides, and people usually combat intolerance with intolerance.


That hits the nail on the head, SilverProteus. I have been thoroughly annoyed by Atheists, Christians, and Muslims in the past.

To be honest some of the meanest and most deceitful people I have ever known have been Christians, but I'm not going to let my confined, meager world-view paint an entire demographic with a negative brush.


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27 Mar 2008, 7:00 pm

I'm agnostic tending towards atheistism, and I've seen extremely intolerant people on all sides. People should be able to choose their religion, or to be without religion without having to suffer prejudice because of it.

Unfortunately I don't really see this happening. :roll: I don't eactly have faith in human beings. :wink:


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27 Mar 2008, 7:47 pm

SilverProteus wrote:
I think it's because the Wiccan 'religion' is an even greater insult to Christianity than atheism is. To claim there is more than one God is seen to be worse than claiming there is none, for some people.


Maybe that's true for some athiests. For me, the notion of one absolute God and Master of all the universe is more insulting to my intelligence that the notion of multiple supernatural, but not all-powerful beings.

But, again, to me it's all pretty stupid, if you really believe in it and it's more than just a way of entertaining yourself. I'm not against everything connected with religion, as some atheists claim to be. (I don't think you really can against everything connected with religion. You'd have to be against almost all human life.) I've spent a lot of time in old European cathedrals. Stained glass can be a magnificent thing, ditto for church music. Mosques and synagogues can be just as beautiful as churches. Those three categories of buildings are actually a lot more similar than you might think, if you've only been in one kind so far. I love reading medieval Latin chronicles and philosophy -- if I ever find out that some of it was written by someone who neither a Christian, a Jew nor a Moslem, I'll let you know.


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27 Mar 2008, 10:13 pm

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I'm not necessarily a pagan or wiccan but i respect their beliefs. The Wiccans I've known were sweet people who were accepting of other peoples' beliefs. They worship the earth and use spells to heal. Wiccans believe in something called the "three fold law". That means that every action you do comes back to you three times as much. It's basically a karma. I don't understand why so many people hate wiccans and pagans. First of all, they are NOT devil worshipers. They don't even believe in a devil. Why would people of one religion worship the bad guy from another religion?? According to biblical peoples, god created the earth. So why is it evil to worship something god made for us?? Pagans also tend to be sensible. I've never had one knock on my door early in the morning and hand me a brochure and say "Have you accepted the goddess as your savior?" And so what if they believe in a god AND a goddess?? I actually believe god is a genderless force, but i take no offense to them believeng in both a male and female deity. My opinion is that wiccans and pagans are just like the rest of us. Their are good ones and bad ones. However, i've read much about pagan and wiccan philosophy and have NEVER found anything evil or wicked about it. Nor have i ever read anything about devil worshipping. Could it be that biblical people are accusing wiccans as being devil worshippers the same way that for 2,000 years they have accused jews, muslims, hindus, buddhists and even catholics of being devil worshippers at one point or another?? At the very least, wiccans are harmless. They are usually just chubby red-haired women who care about the earth! jk.


They needed a scapegoat and most christian beliefs such as satan and satanic practices are based off pagan belies.



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29 Mar 2008, 4:21 am

I live in a pagan land. India is a Hindu-majority country. In Hinduism, their countless Gods and Goddesses are all considered aspects of one God, ie, soft-polytheism. Most Hindus dislike Muslims, although Gujaratis hate Muslims. Oh yeah, they dislike Christians too, and started to dislike Sikhs after Indra Gandhi's bodyguards (who were Sikhs) murdered her. Quite the opposite here, pagans hating us monotheistic heathens. ^^;;



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29 Mar 2008, 7:25 am

I think it might be because of the really flaky pagans/Wiccans who claim that they're hereditary faerie witches or whatever and will not shut up about the Burning Times and their past lives or have a chip on their shoulder about Christianity.

I personally respect pagans/Wiccans. I've never heard of any Wiccans blowing up buildings for the Goddess, and I've never seen any pagans yelling at me to accept their god or goddess because the end is near.