Do you pledge allegiance to your nation's flag?

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Do you pledge allegiance to your nation's flag?
Yes 15%  15%  [ 7 ]
No 85%  85%  [ 39 ]
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29 Mar 2008, 4:57 pm

pandabear wrote:
Do you Pledge allegiance to your country's flag? What are the words of the Pledge of Allegiance to the flags of other countries?
I find the religious content offensive. If I did have religious inclinations, I would view it as a form of idolatry, which I also consider offensive.



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29 Mar 2008, 11:45 pm

I am not against the concept of the state, but I am against the concept of Nation and Nationality. So, my answer is no - I don't pay respect to any flag, however, the only flag I would respect is Saudi Arabia's, but not because it's the nation's flag, because it has the Shahadah written on it. The same would apply to Iraq's flag, which has "Allah is great" written over it.



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30 Mar 2008, 12:27 am

In New Zealand: hell no! The only thing most kiwis are patriotic about is sport. And I have no interest in sport...

I was astonished at the number of flags I saw when I visited the US. I can't understand why someone would want to pledge allegiance to one small part of the Earth simply because they were born there, or happen to live there at the time. Pledging allegiance to one group implies that you're willing to further the goals of that group at the expense of everyone else, which seems like a form of collective "selfishness".

If I choose to pledge allegiance to anything it would be to a moral or ethical code, not to any one region, team, political structure, religion or whatever.



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30 Mar 2008, 2:06 am

I use to when I was in grade school. We were taught to put our right hand over out heart and say " I pledge of allegiance to the United states.........OMG, I really can't remember the rest. It went something like that though. :oops:


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30 Mar 2008, 4:26 am

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My allegiance is to the Queen and the country



umm......oooooo-k

that was.....awkward



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30 Mar 2008, 4:45 am

I pledge allegience to no flag. I am patriotic to principles, not to colorful rags. :evil:



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30 Mar 2008, 8:43 am

I am not an American and even I get what they are doing when they pledge allegiance to the flag. They are not saying "I pledge allegiance to a number of rectangular multicoloured pieces of fabric sewn in a pattern which eventually forms a uniform rectangle handy for flapping at the end of a flagpole"

The intention is to pledge allegiance to the principals for which that flag stands. For a flag is a symbol of a particular country or a particular movement. America's flag was forged during the war of independence. And that is the principles for which it symbolises. And the states which made up that union to defeat the forces of tyranny and oppression. That it encompasses a portion of earth designated as a particular country is completely beside the point.

The original pledge before it had been hijacked for untoward purposes read: I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all. And that is the pledge for which the current formulation is but a pale and disgusting attempt at imitation. Liberty and Justice are noble principals, and that is what the 'flag waving american' seeks to underline when they display that flag.

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As an Australian, no we don't pledge any allegiances. We are not a country founded on principals forged in battle.



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30 Mar 2008, 11:48 am

Izaak wrote:
I am not an American and even I get what they are doing when they pledge allegiance to the flag. They are not saying "I pledge allegiance to a number of rectangular multicoloured pieces of fabric sewn in a pattern which eventually forms a uniform rectangle handy for flapping at the end of a flagpole"


[badjoke]Doesn't the Bible have a say on false idols?[/badjoke]


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30 Mar 2008, 12:53 pm

f**k no!
I hate my country
everything about this pile of dog s**t is awful
there is no pledge of elegance here
our national anthem sucks
I refuse to even take off my hat during it



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30 Mar 2008, 1:48 pm

The US Pledge begins, "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America..." And when I became capable of critical thought, that's where I had to slam on the brakes. I refuse to pledge my allegiance, a sacred matter to me, to a flag - any flag - no matter what someone says it's supposed to represent. Did the Flag represent the highest ideals of the United States when it was being waved in the Sixties, by people who were stomping the bejeezus out of "hippies"? Did it represent the Republic when it was hijacked by the current administration to wave over their pet war?

My allegiance belongs to my country, and to all it can become - but I do not pledge myself to a scrap of cloth, nor to a person who happens to temporarily reside at one of the most famous addresses in the world. My allegiance also belongs to my species, and our worlds, for I fervently believe that if we want to survive for very long at all, we're going to have to spread out from the nest and occupy the rest of our solar system, and (eventually) beyond. To quote Robert Heinlein, "The Earth is too small and fragile a basket for the human race to keep all its eggs in."


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30 Mar 2008, 1:51 pm

I agree with you there man
we can't be squabbling over nothing like we do
or we're all gonna die from some catastrophic war or something



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30 Mar 2008, 1:57 pm

pardon me use of words, but i would rather experience 12 harsh kicks to my nether regions delivered by a well-trained shaolin monk than pledge allegience to my country's flag



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30 Mar 2008, 10:37 pm

Fifty Nifty United States from the 13 original colonies.
Fifty Nifty stars in the flag that billows so beautifully in the breeze.
Each individual state contributes a quality that is great.
Each individual state deserves a bow, we salute them now.

That's not a pledge, but it's about a flag that came to be. Would that count? :?

I still can't remember the pledge. :oops:


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30 Mar 2008, 11:00 pm

I do not pledge allegiance to the flag and apparently no one else does so. Germans are very suspicious of nationalism (except during world cups). I like the West German (and the East German) anthem, I like singing it before matches of the national team.


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30 Mar 2008, 11:11 pm

i don't pledge to a flag. i pledge to the constitution. i pledge to the freedoms that were granted to all of us by the founding fathers.


the pledge is just an idiotic piece of nationalism corrupted even further by a bunch of idiots during the communist scare where it was atheist communism vs christian democracy and so they threw in "under god" into the pledge.



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31 Mar 2008, 1:49 pm

Pledging to a piece of fabric is for the feeble minded, especially disgusting ones that are soaked in innocent blood. Of course what I just said could be interpreted in a few different ways, but thats up to the reader to decide