A Question for Anti-Evolutionists

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The most common explanation I hear for the dinosaurs from creationists is "the devil put those fossils there." After that is the theory that dinosaurs used to live 6000 years ago.

Personally, I think there's some validity to creationism, not in terms of dinosaurs, but in terms of man itself. Back in the day, modern man and neanderthals co-existed, and there's still no evolutionary link between them. At one point in history, mankind suddenly started walking upright, changed face shape, and developed super-intelligence to go with some mad architectural skills. Until we find a missing link, all we have to fall back on are alien theories and interpretations of the book of Genesis.

Science will eventually figure something out, but until then, I'll stick to believing anything is possible. Chaos theory has thrown us for a spin one too many times already.

Fossils as a eugenics program? I don't even care. I don't care what the theory is this time.

Another factor to bare in mind, is that the people who run this world dont allways tell you, or want you to know the truth, you only have to look at the WMD farce and the Iraq war to see that.

So unless you have personaly dug up a fossil with a label saying 65 million years old, I wouldnt gamble your life on what somebody else forces down your throat.

If you are really interested, you could do some reasearch where you would find such things as fossils of Dinosaur footprints with the footprint of man inside, you could see Indian cave paintings of men hunting dinosaurs, you could read newspaper articles of what where then called dragons, digging up freshly buried corpses from the 1700s, you could read the Bible book of Job. You could read how Marco Polo reported the King of Mongolia having a royal dragon keeper, and a chariot drawn by dragons.

You wont find the evolution teachers telling you about this as it doesnt fit there anti-God agenda with thier theory that the dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago, long before man was on the scene.

The reason that teachers are not allowed to present even questions as to the validity of the unproven theory of evolution is that many sad, angry, and bitter adults don't want children considering the possibility of God. God didn't come through for them, such adults reason, so they'll be damned if they're going to let their children believe in Him. It's all spiritual in motivation. They're bitter and resentful against God, and they're going to get him back by both straightly and implicitly telling kids not to believe in Him.

Man, you are bitter. It's a dangerous subject because it can make the kids think & form their own worldviews. Evolution and Creation should be taught side-by-side if the kids are to make meaningful choices. Mad, sad, angry Ragtime is more likely.

And I'm still awed at how much you hate the church.

I heard something called creavolution. It was probably online, but I can't say for sure.

The theory: god created humans from monkeys.

Basically, that god influenced evolution.

I don't have a personal opinion either way on this subject.

That's what I believe in. God wouldn't actually manually create everything in the world, that's too much work, especially if there's rendering scripts like the laws of physics available to do all the busywork for you...

Rendering scripts like the laws of physics ... you make it sound like God is a cosmic computer programmer hunched over a glowing screen.

How can anything be too much work for God? God is without limits, beyond limits, and without attributes.

So its an explantion(The LORD )that makes sense to you but What actual *proof* do you have that its actual? Or even POSSIBLE scientifically? Thats what religion does-makes up explantions that make sense to those who dont understand reason and critical thinking..........

Same goes for theories. Explanations that are yet to be proven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories

".....In science, a theory is a mathematical or logical explanation, or a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theories commonly used to describe and explain this behavior are Newton's theory of universal gravitation (see also gravitation), and the theory of general relativity."

".....Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature that is supported by many facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena."

Imho established theories do not a fact make.

".......In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations, and is predictive, logical, and testable. In principle, scientific theories are always tentative, and subject to corrections or inclusion in a yet wider theory. Commonly, many more specific hypotheses may be logically bound together by just one or two theories. As a rule for use of the term, theories tend to deal with much broader sets of universals than do hypotheses, which ordinarily deal with much more specific sets of phenomena or specific applications of a theory."

Evolution is a theory that has not been proven yet.

Same as gravity or newtons laws. You can't prove gravity exists just by throwing a ball into the air and watching it come down.

Same as christopher columbus being the first person to step foot on the new land and proving the world was round.

1. he was not
2. it was amerigo vespucci that proved the world was round once and for all....ish
(Galileo Galilei should also be credited)

Last edited by nomnom_hamster on 02 May 2008, 12:35 am, edited 3 times in total.

I'm a Christian and I don't oppose evolutionary theory.

Does that count for anything?

I believe in Jesus but also in dinosaurs. And I can't totally reconcile Jesus with the dinosaurs. I abide in the knowledge that I will never know everything. Some things will always elude me. There's three words many people are afraid to say:

I DON'T KNOW

How did life on Earth begin? I DON'T KNOW

The Book of Genesis gives its own account, but at the end of the day it's a just a story. Evolution is not universally accepted as fact because some people aren't interested in the origins of life. Some consider it to be a moot point and do not bother with the theories.

If learning the origins of life on Earth were the secret to happiness and fulfillment, I'd be all over it. But it isn't and I'm not.

Life starts with god, also known a big shiny ball of electric energy

I dunno. Wasn't that what the templars or whomever were attempting to do, was see the throne of god and thus know him (or something).

Knowing that life started with something is everything though, right?

Its getting late and my brain is going all different directions.

You silly little man.

My proof comes from what I observe. You do not see what I see, therefore cannot understand my beliefs. Every time I look outside I can see with my own eyes Creation. You do not consider it reason or critical thinking; what matters such? What matters science or logic when it pertains to the belief of the Lord? Please, if you can scientifically prove He does not exist, I would be willing to see the results. I would demand them--to save me from such a horrible trap. Until you have the Creator in your science lab and have destroyed It, I will wholeheartedly refute your argument.



"Whoever is veiled from God is in fact a child: a man has passed beyond doubt."

I do Not claim that God does not or cannot exist. But if you claim that he Does than the burden of proof rests on
YOU my friend . Why is it that I dont see what you see, eh? If this stuff you believe in WORKS than it should work
regardless of whether I believe in it or Not! So look: If you can SHOW me what your God can do, I eagerly await the results!! I really just love that quote you included. How original, how intelligent .So just how exactly do I become a *man* and be *unvelied from God*?

The quote is from Rumi. If you cannot appreciate Rumi, then by all means appreciate Dawkins or what have you.


If you do not believe, it is because you are not meant to believe. It is simple as that. I'm not a Christian out to Christianize the world. I don't believe in proselytizing. What does it accomplish? Nothing. You'll only be putting on clothes that have little value.

As I stated, if you do not believe, it is because you are not meant to believe. What matters to me that you are an atheist? Very little actually. I've nothing to prove to you. You are not the Jews, and I am not Moses. I am not here to save you, so don't look at me for answers.

Besides, what makes you think I am bona fide to accept my answers as truth? The burden is on you to believe, not on me to convince you to believe. If you cannot believe, then do not believe. It will not affect me. In the end, my words mean nothing to you.

For a start, you can grow up. Mature into a man and stop mean a mean little boy. Honestly, why would anyone fight so hard for something like this? This is your little crusade, to torpedo the existence of God. You can just say you don't believe and be done with it. Be unveiled, not just to God, but to everyone.