Why are so many Christians opposed to a civilised society???

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So, you're saying that some "Christians" like, say, Hitler follow the teachings of their faith by slaughtering 26 million people and trying to enslave the world, but other Christians like, say, that nice fellow down the street, doesn't fullow the teachings of his faith because he buys a plasma tv?

Wow!

According to the Bible homosexuality is an "abomination." So, however, is eating shellfish.

The other thing that really irritates me is when the T.V. evangelists preach about how it's God's will for "his people" (i.e., Christians) to be "prosperous" and "fruitful", that He doesn't want HIs people to lack for any good things, etc etc. (And then they ask for money and some poor little old lady living on Social Security sends a tenth of her meager income to the creep!! !).

So from this sort of logic, what matters is converting people- it is good for them to be poor and desperate until then, so that they'll be miserable and motivated to convert- because after that God will bless them and both they AND the church will be financially better off for it....

Oh, Behave!

If anybody wants to talk about Mating, than they can do so in the Mature Forum.

It is okay to enjoy our lives. You don't have to live in a state of self-induced misery to keep to the Bible's teachings. I agree that if you identify yourself as a Christian, that you don't have any buisness at a strip clup. Vacations/holidays and buiyng some stuff to make your life a litte more comfortable is okay, as long as it doesn't become the main focus of your life. That becomes a form of idolotry.

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There was an incident like that in the church in Corinth around 63AD. Paul's instructions to the church was to excomunicate the offending members.

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You are twisting my words around by saying that sex tourism in Thailand is okay. It is not okay. Both sex tourism and "heaven on earth through orgies are both really good ways of getting some really bad diseases- not what I would call "heaven on earth".

So, would the orgy thing be OK if it weren't for those nasty diseases, Sean?

No. The Bible condemns them.

I see what you're saying Ante, but you're generalizing to an extreme. Not all Christians are that hypocritical. I know in America it (sadly) seems like the majority just don't get it, but there's some intelligent poeple who understand teachings that many ignore or twist.

I was interested in Sean's opinion. (But thanks all the same)

Well put!

Not everyone lives above the poverty line here, in fact an extreme 17% of the population is below it (those on benefits and the lowest paying jobs tend to be). This compared to socially democratic countries like Norway and Denmark (who dont have a class system, the rich will talk to the poorer) have nobody below that line. There are also homeless people all over Britain. Cambridge happens to be one of the wealthier areas so you might not see them but i have. We might be more socially responsible when compared to the US but we still have a long ways to go.

Do you think that everyone who's married is living a life of "envy" and "repressed desire"?
Are you saying that one of your main objections to religion is that is prevents people doing whatever the hell they want?

Some of the most-run down, miserable places in Britain are full of people doing whatever the hell they want, seeking instant gratification without any regard for the long-term consequences, e.g., drunken thugs fathering children by a hatful of different women, abandoning them and leaving the state to clear up the mess: people with nothing to lose and not much to look forward to.

For many people, though, responsibility and commitment are things that make life worth living, e.g., responsibility to their family, and the promise of giving their children a chance of a better life, and so on.
At least religion provides a focus for communities and moral guidelines for their members.
I do find the nihilism of parts of our secular society a bit unpleasant.

All this is not particularly easy for me to admit, because, firstly, I am not a religious person at all. Secondly, I have never wanted to get married, and I doubt I ever will want to. I also think it unlikely I'd be able to find a partner anyway (not least because I've never had a long-term relationship up till now).

I doubt my parents thought I'd turn out like this. Sometimes I feel they don't respect my way of life, and it makes me want to disrespect theirs.
So, anyway, I guess I am destined to be "free".

I wouldn't want to be a hippy though, sitting around reciting sh***y freeform poetry all day.
I once saw a documentary on free love, and it nearly made me vomit.

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