iamnotaparakeet
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22 May 2008, 1:25 pm
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22 May 2008, 3:57 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Liberals...
WTF is a 'liberal'? Besides a word you lot seem to enjoy throwing around in a derogatory manner...
22 May 2008, 7:01 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sand wrote:
Considering how every Bush policy has nudged the country in one way or another towards disaster (of which the US public is quite aware) this can only be a troll
A "troll" is not merely someone who disagrees with your political opinions.
No, but a troll is someone who constantly sets up threads like this one, which are heavily baited with provocative conservative BS.
It was fun looking at your posts - you are either setting up ultra-conservative strawmen in PPR, or hanging about in the adult forums talking about...well, you know.
Conflicted, hmmm?
22 May 2008, 7:07 pm
well, if we get so conservative in our position, we could say that Ragtime is a troll,
but if we are liberal, we would say that he is not a troll at all.
22 May 2008, 8:59 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Liberals...
Do you even know what Liberalism actually is???
22 May 2008, 9:50 pm
22 May 2008, 9:53 pm
22 May 2008, 9:56 pm
How about this: NO.
What do we see about Bush from what he has done?
Well, here are some things that he has done:
He increased the federal deficit by trillions of dollars.
He has increased government spending
He has gotten us into 2 extended conflicts that have led to many deaths
He pushed forward the patriot act
He imposed steel quotas in 2002 and retracted them for fear of a trade war
His policies have alienated us from the rest of the world
His policies have alienated him from his people
His policies have shown tendencies of favoritism as found with Harriet Miers and the Halliburton no bid issues
He has had people imprisoned and tortured
And he has enough verbal gaffes where people now have coined the term "Bushism"
Not an impressive record.
Ragtime wrote:
I happen to think Bush has done an awful lot of good while in office.
I've gotten mad at him several times for not being a true conservative in his policies,
but the economy is doing fine, if you look at the actual numbers and not the
hyped, breathless media reports invented to sell newspapers and magazines.
The housing market, same exact situation. 0.6% of homes are up for foreclosure. Whoopee.
Yet the media scream, "Housing Market in Crisis!" and "Recession!"
Yawn.
I've gotten mad at him several times for not being a true conservative in his policies,
but the economy is doing fine, if you look at the actual numbers and not the
hyped, breathless media reports invented to sell newspapers and magazines.
The housing market, same exact situation. 0.6% of homes are up for foreclosure. Whoopee.
Yet the media scream, "Housing Market in Crisis!" and "Recession!"
Yawn.Really? You think he has done an "awful lot of good"? Interesting. Ragtime, the economy will do fine under most presidents unless they are completely stupid, as we aren't Soviet Russia. Really though, you will have to admit that stagflation fears and the actions by the fed towards Bear Stearns are not things to be forgotten either. Once again, I would not assign a lot of how the economy is doing to particular presidents though, only look at the policies they have actually advanced and figure out how those should impact the economy.
22 May 2008, 10:27 pm
Ragtime wrote:
I happen to think Bush has done an awful lot of good while in office.
I've gotten mad at him several times for not being a true conservative in his policies,
but the economy is doing fine, if you look at the actual numbers and not the
hyped, breathless media reports invented to sell newspapers and magazines.
The housing market, same exact situation. 0.6% of homes are up for foreclosure. Whoopee.
Yet the media scream, "Housing Market in Crisis!" and "Recession!"
Yawn.
I've gotten mad at him several times for not being a true conservative in his policies,
but the economy is doing fine, if you look at the actual numbers and not the
hyped, breathless media reports invented to sell newspapers and magazines.
The housing market, same exact situation. 0.6% of homes are up for foreclosure. Whoopee.
Yet the media scream, "Housing Market in Crisis!" and "Recession!"
Yawn.Yeah, the economy is doing just peachy
. That's why the american dollar has plummeted, the national debt has grown from 4 to 9 trillion dollars and counting, and over 2 million jobs have disappeared in the last three years. And why Bush's administration has started to play coy with its economic reports.
Seriously, at what point do you start calling something a recession?
Presidential Contributions to Debt
No more excuses on jobs
Bush hides bad economic news
23 May 2008, 12:51 am
23 May 2008, 1:49 am
23 May 2008, 5:40 am
D1nk0 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Liberals...
Do you even know what Liberalism actually is???
23 May 2008, 8:47 am
LeKiwi wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Liberals...
WTF is a 'liberal'? Besides a word you lot seem to enjoy throwing around in a derogatory manner...
If you don't know what a liberal is by this time, then you probably are one.
Read Ann Coulter's book "How to talk to a liberal".
It's very informative of the, shall we say, "thought process" that liberals use when determining truth.
23 May 2008, 8:49 am
FWGrep wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sand wrote:
Considering how every Bush policy has nudged the country in one way or another towards disaster (of which the US public is quite aware) this can only be a troll
A "troll" is not merely someone who disagrees with your political opinions.
No, but a troll is someone who constantly sets up threads like this one, which are heavily baited with provocative conservative BS.
It was fun looking at your posts - you are either setting up ultra-conservative strawmen in PPR, or hanging about in the adult forums talking about...well, you know.
Conflicted, hmmm?
Varied.
A contrast to the one-dimensional stereotype of the conservative people like you perpetuate and, sadly,
actually believe.
And if you consider me ultra-conservative, you are simply ignorant. I'm conservative, not ultra-conservative.
But these days, real conservatives seem far-right, because many "conservatives" are so by self-description only.
The "ultra" is put in to make them sound like extremists, when all they believe is:
1. We take each take personal responsibility for ourselves as much as we can.
2. We should accept the evils of the world that we can't change, and attempt to change the rest.
3. We believe that mankind's dignity comes from self-reliance and hard work,
and not from pandering for handouts, or whining about personal injustices --
which are the way of the liberal, and constantly breed sadness, anger, and discontent.
Ya, real extremist, huh?
23 May 2008, 8:58 am
skafather84 wrote:
D1nk0 wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
I happen to think Bush has done an awful lot of good while in office.
Such As:
faith based initiatives...how else do you think raggy keeps a job?
Um, by being very good at my job skills, like any other honest worker.
We have a lot of down time at our company these days,
which is why I can be on WrongPlanet a lot.
Once again, the skafather gets it wrong.
See, that's the difference between bias (AKA liberalism), and facts (AKA conservativism).
You see, folks, skafather's bias led him to believe that I was employed as a results of
faith-based initiatives, presumably on the grounds that I am a Christian conservative who
doesn't think Bush is Satan.
Unfortunately for ska, he had no actual data from which to draw this conclusion,
but merely shot in the dark out of emotion.
But when you have evidence, and facts, and you use them to form your opinions,
then you're thinking like a conservative.
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23 May 2008, 9:06 am
Speckles wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
I happen to think Bush has done an awful lot of good while in office.
I've gotten mad at him several times for not being a true conservative in his policies,
but the economy is doing fine, if you look at the actual numbers and not the
hyped, breathless media reports invented to sell newspapers and magazines.
The housing market, same exact situation. 0.6% of homes are up for foreclosure. Whoopee.
Yet the media scream, "Housing Market in Crisis!" and "Recession!"
Yawn.
I've gotten mad at him several times for not being a true conservative in his policies,
but the economy is doing fine, if you look at the actual numbers and not the
hyped, breathless media reports invented to sell newspapers and magazines.
The housing market, same exact situation. 0.6% of homes are up for foreclosure. Whoopee.
Yet the media scream, "Housing Market in Crisis!" and "Recession!"
Yawn.Yeah, the economy is doing just peachy
. That's why the american dollar has plummeted, the national debt has grown from 4 to 9 trillion dollars and counting, and over 2 million jobs have disappeared in the last three years. And why Bush's administration has started to play coy with its economic reports. Seriously, at what point do you start calling something a recession?
I call something a recession at the point at which I notice at least some changes in the prices of my rent, my food, my clothing, and other general goods and services our economy sustains. And minor changes, I'd called a downturn.
Other than gas, which price is controlled by OPEC, nothing in my life has gone up in price. You'd think something would have, if we were in a recession.
I mean, seriously, if you don't even notice the recession, and you're poor, it's probably not there!
How many times have you read a headline mentioning economists' "surprise" at recent American economic growth??
Constantly! They have to say that America's economic health "surprised" them in order to keep their jobs
as economists, because they're always unfoundedly predicting doom and gloom. Then, when the doom doesn't happen,
they have to backtrack, "shocked", and pretend it was a glitch of some sort or other. Nonsense! The economy is doing fine, but such news does not sell newspapers and magazines like Time and Newsweek, which are purely entertainment industries now.
Such companies' profits thrive on alarmism. Haven't you heard the Reporter's Creed? "If it bleeds, it leads."
"Good news is no news." Only an upsetting headline will ensure that reader buys the paper or magazine, and
develops a dependence upon that news source from out of the fear it generated in the first place.
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