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27 May 2008, 6:48 pm

Technically, not all jews go to hell according to revelations. About 100,000 chaste, viginal males who spend their days thinking holy thoughts get to come to.



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27 May 2008, 6:50 pm

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27 May 2008, 7:06 pm

What most people fail to understand, is that Israel isnt the name of a country, its the name of a people, the Jews making up one twelth of it.
More than that, there is a differance between Fleshly Israel with the circumcision of the flesh, and Spiritual Israel, with the circumcision of the heart.
Read the discription of New Jerusalem when it comes down out of heaven adorned as a bride for the Christ, it has pearls for gates, these people who think they can rebuild solomans temple and the New Jerusalem, where do they think they are going to find pearls that big?

Didnt Jesus say he could raise Children for Abraham out of stones?, being of the seed of Abraham is more than a traceable phsical lineage.

The Anti-christ however, he will build his counterfiet kingdom of God with physical Jerusalem as its base, what better way of decieving all those "Christians" into worshipping the Anti-christ, beliving him to be the Christ?



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27 May 2008, 9:31 pm

Nambo wrote:
What most people fail to understand, is that Israel isnt the name of a country, its the name of a people, the Jews making up one twelth of it.
More than that, there is a differance between Fleshly Israel with the circumcision of the flesh, and Spiritual Israel, with the circumcision of the heart.
Read the discription of New Jerusalem when it comes down out of heaven adorned as a bride for the Christ, it has pearls for gates, these people who think they can rebuild solomans temple and the New Jerusalem, where do they think they are going to find pearls that big?

Didnt Jesus say he could raise Children for Abraham out of stones?, being of the seed of Abraham is more than a traceable phsical lineage.

The Anti-christ however, he will build his counterfiet kingdom of God with physical Jerusalem as its base, what better way of decieving all those "Christians" into worshipping the Anti-christ, beliving him to be the Christ?


First, it's 2 of 12 (tribes of Judah and Levi), plus the tribe of Benjamin if you want to get technical.

Second, are you implying the current State of Israel is the Antichrist?



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27 May 2008, 11:38 pm

Nah, I think ragtime is right. The OP's logic is highly flawed.

Is this all because of Hagee? lol



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28 May 2008, 4:44 am

Ragtime and co. You didn't answer this question:

You as Christians, don't you believe that the actual Jews are not going to Heaven?



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28 May 2008, 4:45 am

DevilInPgh wrote:
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What most people fail to understand, is that Israel isnt the name of a country, its the name of a people, the Jews making up one twelth of it.
More than that, there is a differance between Fleshly Israel with the circumcision of the flesh, and Spiritual Israel, with the circumcision of the heart.
Read the discription of New Jerusalem when it comes down out of heaven adorned as a bride for the Christ, it has pearls for gates, these people who think they can rebuild solomans temple and the New Jerusalem, where do they think they are going to find pearls that big?

Didnt Jesus say he could raise Children for Abraham out of stones?, being of the seed of Abraham is more than a traceable phsical lineage.

The Anti-christ however, he will build his counterfiet kingdom of God with physical Jerusalem as its base, what better way of decieving all those "Christians" into worshipping the Anti-christ, beliving him to be the Christ?


First, it's 2 of 12 (tribes of Judah and Levi), plus the tribe of Benjamin if you want to get technical.

Second, are you implying the current State of Israel is the Antichrist?


Though in Biblical times some of the tribe of Levi did remain to act as priests to Judah after the Northern 10 tribes where scattered by God, since the destruction of the temple by the Romans in 70ad, it is not possible to authenticate anybody of the tribe of Levi.

As for Israel being the Anti-Christ, no, it is widely tipped that the Anti-Christ will come through the house of Rothchild, but it will be based from Jerusalem, the Devil want to mislead if possible, even the Holy Ones, and what better way than a misinterpretation of the scriptures.

Heres the symbol of Rothchilds worship and admssion of the New World Order,

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And heres the Israel Supreme court, totally designed, built and paid for by Rothchild



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You will note the same Satanic pyramid as appears on the dollar.

And dont let these from the synagoge of satan hide behind the suffering of ordinary decent Jews, they themselves orchastrated the death of Jews under Hitler and they themselves get the most benifit from the resultant power of the use of the term, "anti-semite".



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28 May 2008, 5:02 am

LePetitPrince wrote:
Ragtime and co. You didn't answer this question:

You as Christians, don't you believe that the actual Jews are not going to Heaven?
Sounds like a trap. What does "not going to heaven" have to do with anti-semitism? I think Christians believe that there's something extra going on so that Jews will have another chance to accept Jesus because they are god's people, or at least this is what people have told me when I ask.

The original poster's logic is flawed because she is assuming that someone not going to heaven means the religion is prejudiced or condescending. It's the nature of some religions; little to do with prejudice, a lot to do with acceptance of a saving power of a supreme being.

I just think it's weird how things get twisted without further explanation.

"1. the restoration of Israel is essential for the rapture to occur. " It's called a catalyst of events, or in other words a sign, kind of like brown grass is a sign your lawn needs watering. If you talk to Christians, they will tell you those things are predictions, as in when these things happen it signals the end of the world.

"2. Everything leading to the restoration of Israel was God's will. " That's not a validation for what happened like how you are interpreting it.

"3. Israel exists now because of the Holocaust. " Well, isnt it true that the mass exodus of European Jews to israel is due to increased persecution of Jews in Europe due to World War II?

Same goes for Islam- you reject it, you burn.



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28 May 2008, 5:14 am

LePetitPrince wrote:
Ragtime and co. You didn't answer this question:

You as Christians, don't you believe that the actual Jews are not going to Heaven?


The Jews and originally the whole 12 tribes of Israel, where heirs of the promise God made to Abraham.

That promise came to fruision through the Jewish messiah, Jesus Christ.
Many many Jews put faith that Christ was the Jewish messiah and so followed him, so some fleshly Jews do indeed rule as Kings with the Christ in heaven, but are they no longer called Jews because they turned Christian?
They didnt abandon thier religion, they followed it through the Christ.

The Jews who worshipped thier religion more than the one whom the religion was supposed to worship, they are now in a dead religion, God demonstrated this when he tore the curtain of the sanctary and when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

Maybe due to the promise God gave Abraham, the Jews and the lost 10 tribes will get a special chance to accept Jesus at his second coming?
If they dont however, they will recieve the same judgement as all those of the nations who do not know, or do not accept the salvation of the Christ, that being, no salvation, Jew or gentile.



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28 May 2008, 5:21 am

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It's the same case of Christian Zionists (which includes Christians of different Christian sects, mostly Protestant sects). They love Israel just because it's mentioned in the bible , they support greatly the 'return' of the jews to their original homeland, they justify every massacre done by Israel,they believe that the Holocaust justifies all Zionist acts, they are the most supporters for the taxation to help Israel in US.....YET they believe that every no-Christian is no-reborn sinner and going to hell including the Jews themselves.

It makes you think...


Exactly. It's condescending. Kant said that people should never be viewed as means to an end, but rather as ends in themselves. If someone said, "I love you for all the material gain you bestow upon me but really do think you're going to burn in hell." to you, wouldn't you feel quite insulted?

The LAJ (limitless Auschwitz justification) is just a front, although Christian Zionists won't admit it to anyone, including themselves. Again, trace out their cosmology. Not considering to actual implications of one's belief system is a time-honored human tradition.


This doesnt make any sense.

To a Muslim, if you dont accept Allah or Muhammed, you go to hell.
To a Jewish person, if you are a gentile, you are impure.
To a Christian, if you dont accept Christ, you are going to hell.

How is this different from anything else? Have you considered the reason why they dont admit to antisemitism is because they ARENT antisemitic? Should I feel insulted as a gentile because this means I am impure to a group of people? Should I feel insulted that a muslim friend invites me to dinner and helps me when Im down and out, but thinks I am going to hell? No, that's ridiculous. Whats the point in being sensitive about this? People have beliefs that dont have anything to do with how they view their own humanity, only the afterlife.



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28 May 2008, 6:03 am

merr wrote:
This doesnt make any sense.

To a Muslim, if you dont accept Allah or Muhammed, you go to hell.
To a Jewish person, if you are a gentile, you are impure.
To a Christian, if you dont accept Christ, you are going to hell.

How is this different from anything else? Have you considered the reason why they dont admit to antisemitism is because they ARENT antisemitic? Should I feel insulted as a gentile because this means I am impure to a group of people? Should I feel insulted that a muslim friend invites me to dinner and helps me when Im down and out, but thinks I am going to hell? No, that's ridiculous. Whats the point in being sensitive about this? People have beliefs that dont have anything to do with how they view their own humanity, only the afterlife.


Oh, even the lovable and peaceful Buddhists will say you will not find Nirvana because you didn't follow the correct path towards Moksha, and for not doing so you will be punished with another life and perhaps even a lesser form .




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28 May 2008, 7:37 am

moksha is not a buddhist idea. it is a concept that belongs to hinduism and jainism. while it shares some similarities with nirvana, the term is not interchangable.


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28 May 2008, 2:34 pm

merr wrote:
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Ragtime and co. You didn't answer this question:

You as Christians, don't you believe that the actual Jews are not going to Heaven?
Sounds like a trap. What does "not going to heaven" have to do with anti-semitism? I think Christians believe that there's something extra going on so that Jews will have another chance to accept Jesus because they are god's people, or at least this is what people have told me when I ask.



Personally I don't believe in hell and heaven but when a person see you as future hell habitant , this person can't really respect you even if he's treating you nicely and lovely but he will always see you as something lower than his people.It's true that Christian Zionists support Jews in Israel (because they are god's people in the bible) but that doesn't mean they don't believe that the actual jews are going to hell like any other non Christian. I find it pure hypocrisy when the Christian Zionists support Zionists Jews in their 'cause' of Israel yet they see them as people who are going to be fried like chicken burgers.

Btw semitism is not just about Jews , Arabs and Phoenicians are semitics too.


Nambo, I am atheist and I don't believe in your biblical tales. Don't waste your time.



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28 May 2008, 2:39 pm

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Likewise, Christians are not glad FOR Christ's crufixion itself, but rather for His rising from the dead, as Paul explained that Christians have no hope if Jesus did not rise from the dead.

Christians are glad that they have Salvation, not that Jesus had to die a horrible death in order to obtain it.


Weird Hegelian determinism is still weird Hegelian determinism no matter what cute religious spin is on it. Bleah.


That's the fanciest label I've ever heard put on common sense.

I explained it perfectly clearly, even though it actually needs no explanation.


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28 May 2008, 2:43 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
Ragtime and co. You didn't answer this question:

You as Christians, don't you believe that the actual Jews are not going to Heaven?


The Jews have the same chance as everyone else.


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28 May 2008, 2:49 pm

Ragtime wrote:
LePetitPrince wrote:
Ragtime and co. You didn't answer this question:

You as Christians, don't you believe that the actual Jews are not going to Heaven?


The Jews have the same chance as everyone else.



HAHAHAHAAHAHA HAHAHAHAA hilarious! I am not gonna reply to this , I'll let your Israeli buddies here to reply you.
Israeli members, so it seems that all this Protestant American love toward you is based on fakeness(does this word exist?) and hypocrisy after all. :roll: