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29 May 2008, 11:43 am

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Bush is the worst thing to ever happen to america. It will take years to clean up his mess. I hope his wrong doings are on his conscience forever.


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29 May 2008, 11:45 am

Once Bush is out of power it is of no consequence what shape his conscience may be. I am concerned as to how he remained in power so long and what forces kept him there and what they may be doing after he is gone.



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29 May 2008, 11:48 am

When telling the truth is characterized as bad mouthing then that pronouncement indicates something very significant about the speaker.



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29 May 2008, 11:54 am

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-YXvxYbck[/youtube]




is this not proof enough for most to at least want a serious investigation?



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29 May 2008, 1:06 pm

So people are mad at McClellan for spilling the beans? Well there is loyalty to one's President, and there is loyalty to one's country. To have knowledge of serious crimes being committed by the President and not tell what you know would certainly constitute treason. That definitely includes Colin Powell.



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29 May 2008, 1:55 pm

Sand wrote:
When telling the truth is characterized as bad mouthing then that pronouncement indicates something very significant about the speaker.


That's true.

And now back to the subject of the thread, which is Scott McClellan's ghostwriting a BBBBB (Bush-bashing book for big bucks).


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29 May 2008, 1:57 pm

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I wonder why the dismayed revelations of the deception of a man who thought he was acting with integrity is characterized as "snitching" when he is revealing something important of the basic nature of a regime to a public that needs to know the attitudes of the people in control. Should there be something like the "omerta" of the Mafia so that deceit and double dealings remain ever hidden?



Why did he not speak out about the 'culture of deception,' or at least resign, when it could have actually mattered? Why did he remain loyal to Bush in the days of 'Mission Accomplished'? Maybe because now such a book is a guaranteed financial success? Maybe because, unlike a few years ago, it can only improve his career prospects, given how unpopular and discredited Bush is and that the Democrats have a shot at the Presidency? It puts him in the limelight again for good measure. He was a willing, for-profit participant in Bush's deceptions; how convenient to change his mind, at a fee, now that he's no longer employed by him - once the party conventions are held, Bush will be so yesterday; publish this book much earlier, and sales would not have benefited from such low approval ratings.
I despise the Bush clique, but I have more respect for, say, Rice, who has stuck by Bush, than for rats that abandon a sinking ship; if you helped sink it, harming your country and the world in the process, at least have the decency to go down with it.


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29 May 2008, 2:18 pm

pbcoll wrote:
Sand wrote:
I wonder why the dismayed revelations of the deception of a man who thought he was acting with integrity is characterized as "snitching" when he is revealing something important of the basic nature of a regime to a public that needs to know the attitudes of the people in control. Should there be something like the "omerta" of the Mafia so that deceit and double dealings remain ever hidden?



Why did he not speak out about the 'culture of deception,' or at least resign, when it could have actually mattered? Why did he remain loyal to Bush in the days of 'Mission Accomplished'? Maybe because now such a book is a guaranteed financial success? Maybe because, unlike a few years ago, it can only improve his career prospects, given how unpopular and discredited Bush is and that the Democrats have a shot at the Presidency? It puts him in the limelight again for good measure. He was a willing, for-profit participant in Bush's deceptions; how convenient to change his mind, at a fee, now that he's no longer employed by him - once the party conventions are held, Bush will be so yesterday; publish this book much earlier, and sales would not have benefited from such low approval ratings.
I despise the Bush clique, but I have more respect for, say, Rice, who has stuck by Bush, than for rats that abandon a sinking ship; if you helped sink it, harming your country and the world in the process, at least have the decency to go down with it.



so you'd rather them all remain silent? it speaks volumes of his greed but the information is still relevant. though it's most likely tainted as far as the perspective goes.



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30 May 2008, 9:57 am

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When the departed Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill co-wrote an unflattering book about his tenure in the Bush administration, the White House spokesman said of the book: "It appears to be more about trying to justify personal views and opinions than it does about looking at the results that we are achieving on behalf of the American people."

And when former White House counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke also published an unflattering book on the Bush White House, the press secretary said: "Why, all of a sudden, if he had all these grave concerns, did he not raise these sooner? This is one-and-a-half years after he left the administration. And now, all of a sudden, he's raising these grave concerns that he claims he had."

The press spokesman who uttered both those comments about those tell-all books was none other than Scott McClellan, who has now written such a book himself.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,360301,00.html

Looks like Scott McClellan is a hypocrite!


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31 May 2008, 12:36 am

Either that or he has a bad conscience.



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31 May 2008, 12:44 am

Money money money!!

I wonder: If the Bush cronies are such liars, why should we believe them?



history_of_psychiatry wrote:
Bush is the worst thing to ever happen to america. It will take years to clean up his mess. I hope his wrong doings are on his conscience forever.


Worst than Polk? Johnson?


skafather84 wrote:

then again....didn't he steal the election?


Like Rutherford?


ed wrote:
So people are mad at McClellan for spilling the beans? Well there is loyalty to one's President, and there is loyalty to one's country. To have knowledge of serious crimes being committed by the President and not tell what you know would certainly constitute treason. That definitely includes Colin Powell.


Then shouldn't he have done so years ago?


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31 May 2008, 12:53 am

oscuria wrote:
skafather84 wrote:

then again....didn't he steal the election?


Like Rutherford?



rutherfraud? similar. even had a similar supreme court controversy. though, i think it's a little different when vote-counting is stopped by the supreme court as opposed to the election by committee that occured with rutherfraud.

that and bush stole the election twice (unless you think that people lied at the exit polls).