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oscuria
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03 Jun 2008, 1:43 am

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they seem to act within the fringes of the law. like invasion of privacy but things that are either public record or easily attained.


it's basically that they engage in a massive ad hominem with whoever they feel is threatening them.


Yeah. I think the government should do something about it but being that the "rich and powerful" are members of scientology and they've much money to battle legally, the Gov doesn't do crap.

If the Scientologists want to practice what they believe, let them practice but stop the harassing of people (and some of the other practices scientologists are known for).


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03 Jun 2008, 2:02 am

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skafather84 wrote:


they seem to act within the fringes of the law. like invasion of privacy but things that are either public record or easily attained.


it's basically that they engage in a massive ad hominem with whoever they feel is threatening them.


Yeah. I think the government should do something about it but being that the "rich and powerful" are members of scientology and they've much money to battle legally, the Gov doesn't do crap.

If the Scientologists want to practice what they believe, let them practice but stop the harassing of people (and some of the other practices scientologists are known for).



i'm very hesitant to bring the government into anything even if i don't like the group involved. i think the approach anonymous is taking is the best...from the people themselves. protesting it. spreading the truth about what they do and how they operate.


scientology is a scam and a cult.



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03 Jun 2008, 4:03 am

skafather84 wrote:
it's basically that they engage in a massive ad hominem with whoever they feel is threatening them.


Scientology call this policy "Fair Gaming", here's some more information on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)

Here's the quote that sums it up, and applies to any who questions or criticizes them (declared as SPs aka Suppressive Person to their terminology):

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ENEMY — SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed


Also I suggest reading this site: http://www.xenu.net for further information about them and what they've done.


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03 Jun 2008, 4:06 am

I'm sure the way they carry on now was never envisaged by the lady who started the religion. She must surely be turning in her grave. They prey on the gullible and the power seekers and act pretty much with impunity.


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03 Jun 2008, 10:56 am

Nexus wrote:
declared as SPs aka Suppressive Person to their terminology



and i always thought SP stood for secular progressive.



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03 Jun 2008, 12:59 pm

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Cult is right. L Ron Hubbard a supreme deity? Don't make me laugh. Tom Cruise, who I sincerely think is aspie by the way, should take his medication and have a good lie down. If you want a supreme deity to follow, the Goddess Diana might do dor starters.


Tom Cruise on the spectrum? I don't think so, he really seems to have charisma.
Alot of aspies, myself included have this. :P

but yah..I used to go to their website and read their stuff for leisure. Not because I LIKE it, but because it messmerrized me...like put me in a trance like state...and made me feel serene. XD



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03 Jun 2008, 4:17 pm

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How can Scientology still be allowed to practice the things they do? They harass people by following them with cameras so they can later identify them to harass him even more.

It's disturbing.


I think most of those religious cults are well connected into the system. Just like the polygamists cult from Warren Jeff, and look how the courts sent all those children back to their abusive cult families..... And like when Vatican priests molest children, but then it's just swept right under the rug and you never hear about it on the news anymore.



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03 Jun 2008, 4:49 pm

Kalister1 wrote:
The_Chosen_One wrote:
Cult is right. L Ron Hubbard a supreme deity? Don't make me laugh. Tom Cruise, who I sincerely think is aspie by the way, should take his medication and have a good lie down. If you want a supreme deity to follow, the Goddess Diana might do dor starters.


Tom Cruise on the spectrum? I don't think so, he really seems to have charisma.

I don't think so either, I think Keanu Reeves looks more aspie than Tom Cruise IMO.


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03 Jun 2008, 9:49 pm

It is a sci-fi religion.


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03 Jun 2008, 9:50 pm

preludeman wrote:
It is a sci-fi religion.


That makes it sound much cooler than it is :|



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03 Jun 2008, 10:53 pm

Tommy.. Beam me up.

Captain, there seems to be Christians on our starboard bow. It may seem wise to communicate.

No, I think we must exterminate them for the name of Scientology.

'Help me L Ron, Help meeeeeee!'


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03 Jun 2008, 11:06 pm

When I first heard of it, I thought it was a religion of scientists, who believe that critical thinking, research, and experimentation will one day reveal the truth to mankind.

After an hour of reading about them, I found out I was so so wrong.



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03 Jun 2008, 11:29 pm

Funny, I got the same impression. Until I heard what they were up to, that is.


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04 Jun 2008, 12:38 am

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Funny, I got the same impression. Until I heard what they were up to, that is.


I felt stupid -_-

:lol:



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04 Jun 2008, 12:45 am

Back in the 1940's Hubbard was a science fiction writer of debatable quality. The top science fiction magazine of that era (in my opinion) was Astounding Science Fiction, a pulp magazine that fostered the writing of Robert Heinlein aka Anson McDonald, Arthur Clarke, Henry Kuttner aka Lewis Padget, and many of the other best writers of the field. John W. Campbell (who wrote "Who Goes There? which was the basis for the several versions of "The Thing from Outer Space") was the editor and he chose his writers for quality and alignment to real science and he did a great job. One of Heinlein's stories of the time (Sixth Column) envisioned an invasion and conquest of the USA by an Asiatic nation and a group of scientists in the story decide to resist the invaders by starting a new religion which would be relatively unsupervised by the invaders. They chose a god Mota (atom spelled backwards) and utilized a discovery of theirs which gave them extraordinary powers. The were successful in overthrowing the invaders but Heinlein was explicit in describing the freedoms permitted in a religious organization which allowed it to evade government regulation. I have a hunch the story was the seed that inspired Hubbard to declare Scientology a religion.
Although Campbell was an excellent editor he sometimes went off the deep end on kooky ideas and of course his writers, scientific or not, proposed all sorts of weird theories. Campbell got very excited over Hubbard's " Dianetics" which originally was proposed as an alternative to psycho-analysis and not a religion. I bought the book and found it basically not only silly but useless. A friend and I tried out its methods for hours to no result whatsoever. Subsequently it evolved into a religion which became a great scam for Hubbard to become the well financed leader of a huge group of desperate and gullible followers. The many very wacky religions in the USA provide a wonderful source for followers of some scoundrel who is out to bilk believers of their money for rather nutty ideas and Scientology follows the pattern perfectly. From the Catholic protection of its perverted members to the Mormon subjugation of young kids it is obvious that religions have special license in the USA to evade decency and common sense and Scientology takes full advantage of this peculiarity. It follows the terrible misuse of power throughout the world by many of the strange and established religions and is a sad demonstration of humanity's propensity to act against its own best interests.



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04 Jun 2008, 1:53 am

Sand wrote:
Back in the 1940's Hubbard was a science fiction writer of debatable quality.



you don't gotta be nice. the guy could have easily worked with ed wood and ed would have pushed him to higher levels.