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01 Aug 2008, 7:12 pm

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This is a strange idea. Transsexuals still do their business with either male or female plumbing, do they not? Even if you have formally disavowed your penis or your vagina, it's still what you use to urinate. And the toilet doesn't care which sex you are. I guess you could say this is a concession to the TG folks. A gesture.

Are there urinals in Third Sex bathrooms? Tampon-dispensers, condom-dispensers, or both?


Sorry for whining about details, but the vagina is not used for urination. They use an extremely small opening right above the vulva.


The vulva and vagina are more or less the same thing, are they not? Thanks for that bit of gynecology.



nowhere near the same.

that's like saying the testicles and the urethra are the same thing.



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01 Aug 2008, 7:14 pm

There is no drama here.


I'm sorry, I don't know any German. Translation?



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01 Aug 2008, 7:15 pm

the whole concept of a third sex washroom is ludicrous, I have no problem with people getting sex changes, if they are living as a female or male then let them take a wizz or dump in what ever toilet they feel suits them, its not like people are going to watch them performing a bodily function, but a need for a third option, its too stupid.



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01 Aug 2008, 7:20 pm

skafather84 wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
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slowmutant wrote:
This is a strange idea. Transsexuals still do their business with either male or female plumbing, do they not? Even if you have formally disavowed your penis or your vagina, it's still what you use to urinate. And the toilet doesn't care which sex you are. I guess you could say this is a concession to the TG folks. A gesture.

Are there urinals in Third Sex bathrooms? Tampon-dispensers, condom-dispensers, or both?


Sorry for whining about details, but the vagina is not used for urination. They use an extremely small opening right above the vulva.


The vulva and vagina are more or less the same thing, are they not? Thanks for that bit of gynecology.




nowhere near the same.

that's like saying the testicles and the urethra are the same thing.


They are the Naughty Bits. Larry Flint made a fortune from showing glossy pictures of them in HUSTLER magazine. They contitue either gynecology or smut. End of discussion.



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01 Aug 2008, 7:22 pm

I think it's a good idea. I personally like unisex bathrooms. Fortunately, I'm not transsexual. My gender is androgynous, but my sex is undeniably female. Although, the female bathrooms sometimes freak me out. At least they're nicer than the male bathrooms.

This is not a matter of political correctness. Transsexuals have to deal with this everyday, and for many it's a painful thing to confront, being reminded of their alien sex every time their bladder is full. This is a matter of comfort. I don't think you (general, not anyone in specific) would feel the most comfortable if forced to use the opposite sex bathroom all the time. Some people don't care, but others do. There's no good reason for people to feel uncomfortable going to the toilet.



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01 Aug 2008, 7:26 pm

What about toilet-stalls?

I'm confused, are you female or androgynous? How can a human being, a product of sexual union, be androgynous? As far as I know we are species that reproduces sexually.


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01 Aug 2008, 7:27 pm

slowmutant wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
crackedpleasures wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
This is a strange idea. Transsexuals still do their business with either male or female plumbing, do they not? Even if you have formally disavowed your penis or your vagina, it's still what you use to urinate. And the toilet doesn't care which sex you are. I guess you could say this is a concession to the TG folks. A gesture.

Are there urinals in Third Sex bathrooms? Tampon-dispensers, condom-dispensers, or both?


Sorry for whining about details, but the vagina is not used for urination. They use an extremely small opening right above the vulva.


The vulva and vagina are more or less the same thing, are they not? Thanks for that bit of gynecology.




nowhere near the same.

that's like saying the testicles and the urethra are the same thing.


They are the Naughty Bits. Larry Flint made a fortune from showing glossy pictures of them in HUSTLER magazine. They contitue either gynecology or smut. End of discussion.



naughty bits? they're only naughty if you think sex is naughty and that's an unhealthy attitude to have towards one of the best activities on can do.

larry flynt made a fortune because he's a good businessman as well as showing naking women.

and that's an unhealthy attitude to have towards human anatomy. very sexually repressed.



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01 Aug 2008, 7:28 pm

spudnik wrote:
the whole concept of a third sex washroom is ludicrous, I have no problem with people getting sex changes, if they are living as a female or male then let them take a wizz or dump in what ever toilet they feel suits them, its not like people are going to watch them performing a bodily function, but a need for a third option, its too stupid.
Why is it stupid? Sex is a continuum, not a binary. If I were to try to get a sex change, it would be very difficult, because I'm really quite female. During the transition, it might be difficult for me to fit in either category. I don't see the need to force people into categories like that. It's the bathroom, just make it unisex. Have a female bathroom, a male bathroom, a trans bathroom, a unisex bathroom, whatever makes people comfortable.



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01 Aug 2008, 7:28 pm

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There is no drama here.


I'm sorry, I don't know any German. Translation?



"no sympathy for the majority".


my point is that you're acting like as if you're some repressed minority when you're not. quit complaining and welcome in the outside world rather than complaining about it and rejecting it.



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01 Aug 2008, 7:30 pm

How would a trans bathroom differ from the male and female lav?

You are not a completely different animal. You are still human, like me.



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01 Aug 2008, 7:36 pm

I've considered the idea of a third bathroom before, because of this sexual identity revolution that seems to go on. I've heard about people with radical sexualities being ridiculed and harassed, so it seemed like a decent idea to me to have an extra bathroom for whatever - gays, transvestites, transgenders, transsexuals, or people who just plain don't give a s**t about who they piss around. I think someday it'll become a non-issue and eventually there'll just be one bathroom for everyone.



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01 Aug 2008, 7:39 pm

Let me clarify. There are three different things, sex, gender, and sexuality.

Sex is the biological. Male, female, or intersexed. Some people are born with anomalous sexual organs. I am female.

Gender is how you identify, how you feel. Man, woman, androgyne, neither, and many others. It's just how you feel. I feel both masculine, and feminine.

Sexuality is what you find attractive, what sex physically arouses you. I am mostly attracted to females, with a few male exceptions.

All three of these are on a continuum. Is there something I can clarify further?

Oh, and the Doctor Who season finale is on, so sorry if I don't respond very quickly. I'm posting in commercial breaks.



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01 Aug 2008, 7:47 pm

Gender may not be binary, but genitals are. This or that and nothing in between. I don't want to be told there is some penile-vaginal hybrid organ out there somewhere; I don't think I can take it. :(

As fasr as I know, you can have only one of two sets of plumbing as a human being. A showerhead or a sink, let's say. The point I've been trying to make is these urination and evacuation needs are not so incredibly diverse as other posters are making them sound. How different could Trans Bathroom be from Male and Female and Unisex (?) Bathroom?

You have the Toilet, Urinal, the Sink, and the Toilet-Stall. These are the standard hardware. If none of these can meet your personal needs, you may be some other kind of creature from elsewhere in the galaxy.



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01 Aug 2008, 7:49 pm

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How would a trans bathroom differ from the male and female lav?

You are not a completely different animal. You are still human, like me.
With that argument, all bathrooms should be unisex. I don't think transsexuals are a different species, just a different sex. If it makes them more comfortable, why not accommodate them?



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01 Aug 2008, 7:51 pm

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Let me clarify. There are three different things, sex, gender, and sexuality.


I'm starting to think I wasn't meant to understand this. :tired:



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01 Aug 2008, 7:53 pm

Slowmutant, you are simply factually incorrect. Some people are intersexed. It is not the norm, but it happens. Most intersexed individuals are 'corrected' at birth. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.