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not according to the polls that have been carried out so far.

people could have easily said they don't care if their kid marries an atheist but most said they'd be disappointed.


when people don't care, they say they don't care; they don't say they don't trust.

Well, think about it. If you come from a religious family why would you feel proud that your child is marrying an atheist knowing that the grandchildren will more than likely not receive a religious upbringing? I would be disappointed too if my spouse was an atheist.

How come atheists will call Atheism a religion when they want benefits, but say it's not a religion in other arguments? Also, skafather's copy-paste says that atheists have been strong proponents of "freedom of religion", but rather they promote their own version which is better called,
"freedom from religion."

First Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion [such as the Church of England was], or prohibiting the free exercise thereof [such as England had done to the "heretic" Churches];..."

it's easy to make such statements when you're safe. christians face no persecution so of course you can make such idiotic claims from your ivory tower.

Why be so incendiary? "christians face no persecution" What world do you live in?

whatever. i'm ignoring you guys. you guys have nothing at all at stake and this is my personal life.

Yes, most would say they do not care because that's the PC thing to do. Stick them in a voting booth where they can say what they truly think and you will get much different results. US politicians are so worried about pleasing the largest group of people to get elected; they would never admit to being an atheist even if they really were.
On this, I wholeheartedly agree.

In other words, you're taking the refuge of the ten-year-old when someone points out his ideas aren't pure genius.

and you're trying to goad me on like a child. i removed myself for a specific reason and listed that reason which you conveniently deleted you worthless piece of s**t.

the united states of america. christians face no persecution. you're delusion if you claim otherwise.

Look, I'm just being contrary. It's apparent you and most people here
disapprove of freedom of speech. Or only approve of it when people
say things you want to hear.

did i try to get you banned or something?


disagreeing with you (even strongly disagreeing) is not denying your freedom of speech.

We can still do without the verbal abuse and whatnot. I don't care if atheists are in office or not,
but I do care that I should be able to present a contrary opinion without getting a bunch of malicious and seething hateful words thrown at me.

when you're intentionally misrepresenting history to fit your own purposes, expect a harsh response. especially when it effects me directly/personally like this which is why i later said i was getting out of this thread because i realized it then that guy went on and made fun of me for it.

What history am I misrepresenting? The fact that the first amendment was to protect citizens from the actions of England being repeated? Or the mathematically simple deduction that, if only the seven states you listed discriminated against Atheists or protected Jews and Christians, then, out of 50 states, there would be 43 that don't discriminate? EIGHTY-SIX PERCENT??? How am I misrepresenting history? Also, in the last twenty years, students rights to pray in public school has been taken away, Bible is relegated to literature class if allowed in school at all, Canada imprisons pastors if they read certain passages from the Bible, there's some idiot suing Zondervan trying to get the Bible edited to suit his tastes, et cetera. How the heck am I misrepresenting history?

Anyway, I tried to be civil and you say, "expect a harsh response" basically for saying things you don't want to hear?? That's ridiculous.

your claim about the first amendment not protecting from religion. the intent of the law was twofold: first was to allow freedom of religion to all its citizens and to establish a government that was secular in nature. which is why god didn't appear in any national items* until the 19th century.


Treaty of Tripoly, article 11


"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."



James Madison
Summary of the First Amendment:

"Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contrary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform" (Annals of Congress, Sat Aug. 15th, 1789 pages 730 - 731)

I must admit moreover that it may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions and doubts on unessential points. The tendency to a usurpation on one side or the other or to a corrupting coalition or alliance between them will be best guarded against by entire abstinence of the government from interference in any way whatever, beyond the necessity of preserving public order and protecting each sect against trespasses on its legal rights by others. (James Madison in a letter Rev. Jasper Adams, Spring 1832).

# To the Baptist Churches on Neal's Greek on Black Creek, North Carolina I have received, fellow-citizens, your address, approving my objection to the Bill containing a grant of public land to the Baptist Church at Salem Meeting House, Mississippi Territory. Having always regarded the practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government as essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, I could not have otherwise discharged my duty on the occasion which presented itself (Madison in a letter to Baptist Churches in North Carolina, June 3, 1811).


*meaning like in the national motto, money, or in the pledge. god was nowhere on any of that until the later 19th century and the 20th century.[b]