911 issue: I wonder, what do majority of American ppl
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Scuse me, but those of you quoting Occam's Razor in here...
1 - Poor 'terrorists' (omgz t3h arabs r cummingz!!) from the other side of the world manage to infiltrate American security, learn to fly planes, figure out the architecture of two enormous buildings, hijack planes using small tools, get into the locked cockpit, AND learn how to bend the laws of physics in a way not even Einstein could have managed to make enormous towers collapse in a way that defies all laws of physics and is physically impossible by any known law given the positions the planes hit - and not only do it once, but twice! - including managing to collapse other buildings the planes didn't even touch, and leave no wreckage at two of the four 'crash sites'....
2 - People with access to the buildings get in, plant bombs during routine maintenance (you can ask all the witnesses inside what they heard - even CNN reported this intitially), detonate them at a time a major exercise for that very scenario is going on, buildings collapse in the standard way for building implosions, people die.
And you're saying you'd go for theory 1 over theory 2 using the Razor?! Think you've got a bit of a backward understanding of it just personally....
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I said CaveMAN and I was referring specifically to Osama Bin Laden ONLY.
See, he's literally a caveman in a cave. << (click here)
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Rather, I think they're trying to promote that it was an all American attack against America.
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Rather, I think they're trying to promote that it was an all American attack against America.
Not necessarily. More just pointing out the blindingly obvious. As in, those planes could not possibly have caused the towers to collapse - and lest we forget Building 7 that did exactly the same thing without being hit!! - as it was a physical impossibility.

I don't care which faction of your pathetic government was behind it, it's irrelevent; they got what they wanted and their own citizens and the rest of the world are now suffering the results. Just as they planned.
[The grammar pedant in me is loathe to post this link due to the typos in it, but it's a very simple summary with photos nevertheless to refresh the memories of those who forgot.... http://911review.org/Wiki/Building7Collapse.shtml ].
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and too far away from where they live and they don't care about the details
especially why Building 7 collapsed at ground level without any fire or even damages
since that building was the mayor's bomb shelter and he ran out of it
just a minute before the other two buildings blew up.
Occam's razor is the magic trick of 9/11.
Caveman on the other side of the world did it!! !
Anything else is too unbelievable and even too complicated to believe.
Here is another example. This cartoon is all about how to make money.
It's not a conspiracy theory or a scam but it's just too strange to believe.
How Money REALLY Works
Ahh, nothing like a good propaganda video.

Correction:
The "911 Insider Conspiracies" have all been thoroughly debunked, and now you want to turn "WrongPlanet" into the latest battleground for your fantasies. I have seen the so-called "evidence" that has been offered, and have personally found them so full of holes, assumptions, questions, and outright lies that they make Harry Potter stories look like reality by comparison.
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Correction:
The "911 Insider Conspiracies" have all been thoroughly debunked, and now you want to turn "WrongPlanet" into the latest battleground for your fantasies. I have seen the so-called "evidence" that has been offered, and have personally found them so full of holes, assumptions, questions, and outright lies that they make Harry Potter stories look like reality by comparison.
Though I don't agree with you concerning my historical/religious perspectives, I really think the above is excellent. Good job on the corrections.

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*bangs head against wall*
Why is it that the people who need to understand this most are the ones in the biggest denial?!
I'm not sure what disinformation they feed you over there (I imagine it's a lot), but wake up and smell the coffee with the rest of the world guys - physics! It's simple physics!
And explain Building 7 please, the one that wasn't hit, was hardly touched by shrapnel, had no obvious fire (in my line of work I can assure you fire wouldn't have touched that thing, let alone collapsed it), yet still pancaked in the same as the two main buildings - that is, the same way any building being imploded would do.
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Why is it that the people who need to understand this most are the ones in the biggest denial?!
I'm not sure what disinformation they feed you over there (I imagine it's a lot), but wake up and smell the coffee with the rest of the world guys - physics! It's simple physics!
And explain Building 7 please, the one that wasn't hit, was hardly touched by shrapnel, had no obvious fire (in my line of work I can assure you fire wouldn't have touched that thing, let alone collapsed it), yet still pancaked in the same as the two main buildings - that is, the same way any building being imploded would do.
Please explain why you think we "need" to believe what you say? What would be the point? Are you trying to foment insurrection? Or do you really think that Aspies and Auties would stupidly believe everything you tell them just because you tell them?
That's the reality, sunshine. Go peddle your lies to Hollywood; I hear Alan Smithee is looking for a good 911 script.
(Thanx, iamnotaparakeet - I received that article from someone else, without the Wiki accreditation. -Fnord-)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center
2nd paragraph.
LeKiwi, I've not listened to any government propaganda. In fact my first thoughts when I heard the news reports were questioning whether it was something planned by the government, but seeing footage of the planes crashing into the buildings gives me a lot of doubt as to the conspiracy propaganda of which many have claimed there were no planes even at the towers.
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You do realise the 'official line' is a conspiracy theory itself?
And also, you don't seem to have realised that because someone doesn't buy that particular official conspiracy, doesn't mean they believe every single theory being bandied around in cyberspace. Yes, there's a lot of BS out there, but (sorry for having to paraphrase the x files here, not intentional!) the truth is also out there - in cyberspace, and in a lot of media and the writings and lectures of a lot of well-respected and highly-qualified doctors, scientists, and others.
And the reason you need to understand is so that there's enough of a groundswell to impeach that idiot you've got at the reigns - as Kucinich is trying - and rope the power-mad psychopaths you've got running the place in, before another bunch take over in November. I'm not sure how, but knowledge is power and the more people who understand what's going on the more chances you have of doing something to stop this stupidity that's spreading like a virus to the rest of the world. It's bad enough that it's happening in one place, let alone your government imposing it's laws on other countries too!!
Fnord - You tell me that wikipedia is a reliable source? When it's been shown that the US government has edited pages related to 9/11 to quash alternative 'theories' and make themselves look better?
And what the hell has anyone being an aspie or autie got to do with anything?! I'm an aspie too I'll remind you!! Mind you, it's not like it matters, you seem to believe everything you're told anyway...
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Evidence, Please?
Evidence, Please?
Evidence, Please?
Evidence, Please?

I believe what I've investigated myself, and for which there is verifiable evidence. Your conspiracies are no better than the splinter cults and religious fanaticts that I've debunked, in that they rely on faith in unprovable claims, paranoid ravings, and outright lies made by ignorant and uneducable people from foreign countries with nothing better to do than stir up trouble in America.
As for the Wiki post, I grabbed the first paragraph I came to decscribing Building 7 in a folder full of articles debunking cults, conspiracies, religions, magic, and the paranormal; a folder that I've been working out for the last 30 years.
You've already lost the argument, so get over it.
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