Pro Life + Pro Gun = Contradition in terms ?

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Too controversial! we prefer to throw fetuses against the wall, instead.

Last edited by greenblue on 31 Aug 2008, 5:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.

What color are unborn children? Red?


I'm a bit disappointed. I was going to buy BioShock on Amazon as they had it for 20$. I just checked a while ago and it rose to 29$.

Perhaps more like pink, not sure.

Dear God, it frightens me that so many people say this and honestly think they're saying something clever. And that they can vote.

Absolutely terrifying.

Pro-life and pro-gun...that just means someone is a hipocrite...Pro-life and "for capital punishment", there are the other hipocrites...

Not entirely true. Guns where originally intended to kill, but now there's plenty of ways you can own a gun without the intent to kill.

First way's as a psychological deterrent, if you're a thug that's about to break down someone's bedroom door and all you have is a knife, and you hear someone rack the slide or action of a pistol/rifle/shotgun, what's your first response going to be? Unless you're high on meth or something similar, you'd have to be ret*d to not run away.

And now there's the wide variety of less-than-lethal ammunition you can get fairly easily now. You can get pepper spray rounds, flash-bang rounds, rubber rounds, rubber rounds filled with pepper spray, and they've even made a new 12-gauge round that's a taser (law-enforcement only, currently). Hell, the only reason I plan on getting a 12 gauge pump-action shotgun is for the LTL rounds.

Anyways, random rant aside, I'm actually the odd combination of a pro-gun Democrat, because while I hate the thought of having to kill someone, I understand that there may be situations where there is no other choice. There is a vast difference between an abortion and killing a guy high on meth coming at you with a knife.

I say pro-abortion to avoid capital punishment.
If done properly, there would be no need for death penalty at all, and it will solve problems with overpopulation.
It should even be mandatory for those who lack of a license to have children.

And anyone caught owning a fire weapon, should have to pay a fine of $1000 per day since they got it, hmmm, although it doesn't seem to be that of a good idea, perhaps getting intense psychiatric treatment to control violent tendencies would be a lot better, with someone caught with any fire weapon.

Don't worry too much, all he can do is f*ck up Australia a little bit more. As for me, I'm pro-choice and pro-gun (obviously), though I see no contradiction with opposing abortion and owning firearms. As I keep trying to get across here, no mechanical object has any inherent moral code, it all comes from the user. Owning a firearm no more makes you a killer than owning a computer makes you a hacker.

As I just stated in another thread I don't give a rats ass what any of you foreigners like or dislike about America. I have guns and will continue to own them. I am going to the range tomorrow to shoot guns for recreation because that is my right and it is a hobby for me. Maybe you can offset that by arranging an abortion for somebody if that would make you feel better. Just stay in paradise DentArthurDent, I am sure Australia will remain perfect as long as no Americans go there to f**** it up for you. One major difference between us is I don't care how you Aussies run your country.

I prefer to be a hippopotamus.

Pro-life by its words means that you should support life. If it just means that you object to abortion, but don't give a rats arse about the damage guns do, or innocent people being murdered by the state, you really really need to change your monika. I see that it is the same vitriolic, right wing morons, that have responded in the way typical of their ilk. You lot are no better than so called christians carrying guns. BTW in Australia things are a little better we don't have school kids shooting each other, dont have drive by shootings, women do not have to stick coat hangers up their vaginas, and the last innocent person we killed was back in 1969. As for us trying to tell you how to run your country, f**k me what the bloody hell is the USA doing all over the world. I am only concerned about US politics because what some of you idiots do can affect all of us

The crime of being alive.

Yes, and a titmouse is neither a tit or a mouse. Pro-life is just a political term, as previously described, that means a person's against abortions. That person being pro-gun too just makes the term pro-life ironic, not a contradiction.

I suppose your correct. Maybe I did phrase the question incorrectly. It is most definitely ironic that many people subscribe to both views given the choice of words.

One man's defence is another man's aggression. Always remember that.

I do not feel that being pro-life and pro-gun (or pro-death penalty) is a contradiction.

Pro-gun simply means that you feel that people should be allowed to own firearms without breaking the law, they don't want to go around shooting random people. They want guns for self-defense and perhaps hunting (maybe target practice too, all harmless applications). Since the fetus isn't currently trying to kill them they see no good reason why it should be killed.

Pro-death penalty means they think someone might deserve to die if they've both: A. Don't some horrendous unforgivable crime and B. Given a proper trial that established their guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Since the fetus can't possibly of committed a crime worthy of execution, they also may feel abortion is wrong.

In fact may people holding pro-life, pro-death penalty views will say that pro-choice and anti-death penalty people make no sense at all. Since they seem to think it is okay to kill innocent unborn children but not hardened criminal scum.