"True" Christianity does not exist

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Christianity is not a relgion..

Because there is no evidence of unity.

The Christ exists divided!

Re-ligion = re-link..

Or better still.. to re-unite.

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"Nevertheless, when the Son of man arrives, will he really find the faith on the earth?"

Luke 18:8

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“Now I exhort you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you should all speak in agreement, and there should not be divisions among you, but that you may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. For the disclosure was made to me about you, my brothers, that dissentions exist among you. The Christ exists divided!

But, while giving these instructions, I do not commend you because it is, not for the better, but for the worse that you meet together. For first of all, when you come together in a congregation, I hear divisions exist among you; and in some measure I believe it. For there must also be sects among you, that the persons approved may also become manifest among you.

What shall I say to you? Shall I commend you? In this I do not commend you.

Continue to rejoice and be readjusted, to be comforted, to think in agreement, to live peaceably; and the God of love and peace will be with you."

1Corinthians 1:10 + 11:17 + 2 Corinthians 13:11

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Yep.. I agree with Monty.

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"Certainly, then, there occurs a setting aside of the proceeding commandment on account of its weakness and ineffectiveness."

"For if the first covenant had been faultless. No place would have been sought for a second."


"But their mental powers were dulled. For to this present day the same veil remains uplifted at the reading of the old covenant, because it is done away with by means of Christ.

In fact, down till today whenever Moses is read, a veil lies upon their hearts. But when there is a turning to God, the veil is taken away."

"In his saying "a new covenant" He has made the former one obsolete and growing old is near to vanishing away."

Hebrews 7:18 + 2Corinthians 3.12 + Hebrews 8:13

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Isn't this what Christians should be believing in.. ?

Why complicated things further.. ?

Why not apply Occam's Razor to religion.. ?

After all.. what the New Testament actually says is..

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"Do not you people be owing anybody a single thing, except to love one another; for he that loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law.

For the law code, "You must not commit adultery, You must not murder, You must not steal, You must not covet," and whatever other commandment there is, is summed up in this word, namely, "You must love your neighbor as yourself."

Love does not work evil to one's neighbour; therefore love is the law's fulfillment."

Romans 13:8

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Let's keep it simple.

With one commandment........... not ten.

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You should watch your tongue accelerator attacking a religion could get it cut out. By the way your wrong christianity is a religion, and saying such a thing shows how iggnorant you are.

Now then, a covenant is basically an agreement or promise, god kept his side of the deal but the Jews did not that is why christ died to make the new one.

Now then Carturo222 seeing as Jesus Christ was the son of god, and made perfect without a sinful nature he was able to read the holy scripture with out the sinful nature that would have corrupted what he read, this very fact got him crucified.

You're making an unsupported argument here.

You offer no evidence to back up what you are saying at all..

I am not attacking any religion..

I am defending religion

Christianity is not a religion.. because it is not based on the bible.. it is based on false assumptions.. and nothing nore.

The bible itself proves that christianity is not a religion

Because a genuine religion cannot be divided into countless sects..

None of them agree.

I repeat..

“Now I exhort you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you should all speak in agreement, and there should not be divisions among you, but that you may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought."

This doesn't sound like christianity.. does it.. ?

Which makes christianity.. as a religion.. null.. and void.

Consider what the judgments in the bible.. against false religion.. are actually saying..

Then.. tell me.. is christianity really religion.. or not.

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"What shall I do to you, when the loving-kindness of you people is like the morning clouds and like the dew that early goes away? That is why I shall have to hew them by the prophets; I shall have to kill them by the sayings of my mouth. And the judgments upon you will be as the light that goes forth.

For in loving kindness I have taken delight, and not in solemn assembly.; and in the knowledge of God rather than in your use of uncanny power. But they themselves, like earthling man, have overstepped the covenant. There is where they have dealt treacherously with me. And as in the lying in wait for a man, the association of priests are marauding bands."

Hosea 6:4

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Last edited by Accelerator on 07 Sep 2008, 10:40 am, edited 1 time in total.

I was for a time just in the sense of disorienation. Then again I'd see having another dozen or couple dozen major world religions as being just as much of a diversion. Point is, if there is a God, regardless of which religion's God is right, this diety hides itself from our material reality - which it would have hypothetically created - for the sake of seeing what we'd do as a result if there were no way to prove its existence and if right and wrong therefore became easily debatable.

Fractures in the Christian church are mainly over smaller issues - whether its the acceptance or denial of a tripartite God, whether it was corruption of the German Catholic church in Martin Luther's times, whether it was an English king wanting the right to divorce, in some cases either believing that Jesus did or didn't have half-brothers and half-sisters (ie. technicality of the virgin birth), literalism vs. metaphoric interpretation of the bible, and if you want to go gnostic with it - whether or not you believe in the primary 6 aeons, the other 10 and 14, the error brought about by the Logos, etc.

The reason these all compete is the sheer fact that there isn't enough information and the information available can't really be substantiated aside from by faith. The divinity of the bible itself is a hot topic for debate, my own take is its either just a guise for social engineering built by secular means, or, if there was divine inspiration in it - its incomplete and its incompletion is manifested in the holes and contradictions of message; or, someone might assert, that it is fully divine and that the contradictions are there to be unraveled and they're almost more of a test of faith to get one's head around (with the way the world works, God would have a rather strange sense of humor, so I could see someone calling it that way). Regardless its all guesswork, all conjecture, you can point out the historical accuracy of the times it was written and who the writers were - that part isn't really a mystery, but the line between divine reality and earthly and whether or not the diving really exists would be all faith-based until the day that Jesus, Buddha, or Zoro Aster, or whoever else descends on Old Navy or Pac Sun to buy a new pair of jeans.

No, you blasphemer. It is 42.

I would agree, but for a different reason. Some of the groups that call themselves Christian are so different from each other, that we must conclude that these are different religions; Christianity is not one single thing, but an umbrella term to describe a number of religions.

And I'm not buying your break-down of the word religion - it comes from the root religare: to restrain or tie back. The origins of the word have nothing to do with unity, and it is not commonly used in the sense that you have done.

The same could be said of any religion, Christian or otherwise. Any system of metaphysical assumptions about reality that made moral demands and included obscure rituals could be called a religion, and thus Christianism aptly qualifies as one. What puzzles me is that you are resorting to the Bible as the final arbiter on what "true" religion should be. Do you realize that the Bible is a terribly defective reference source? No reliable truth can come from a book filled with as many absurdities and inconsistencies as the Bible. Christianity is not false because some people became corrupted at a point in history; Christianity is false because it is based on the Bible, which has not an ounce of respectable truth in it.

There are, of course, pisectuals, homosectuals etc. And the various churches of apple pi, chocolate cream pi, shoofly pi and goodpi and good luck. All worthy of contemplation and as valid as any other faith.

No, these people don't annoy me at all. Christianity was from its very beginnings based upon excluding people who would not subscribe to specific dogmas that were thought up by certain scribes and priests, so it is based on exclusion and behaving in a sectarian way.
If you don't like this attitude, you should instead become a buddhist or start doing yoga. Jesus went beyond religion and the early christians re-introduced it.

Google it.. and you will find plenty of references to religion meaning.. re-link..

Or better still.. re-unite..

Along with some good explanations why re-unite is an excellent defintion for religion..

Re-link.. re-join.. re-connect.. re-unite..

To quote from one of them..

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“The original OLD meaning of the word religion comes from religare - and means in our modern words re-link, create a tie to God or re-unite with God !

Purpose and goal of religion

If re-link to God is the purpose and goal of religion - of all and every religion - then a true religion MUST include techniques of meditation, simple to understand teachings of love applicable easily in all our daily situations as well as knowledge about the nature of God and how to re-unite WITH God. Re-ligare - re-link - MUST include the OTHER end of the rope - of our tie back - God. religion without a teaching how to achieve God-Union - or Unio Mystico - is a teaching empty of truth and empty of love.”

http://www.kriyayoga.com/english/on_you ... igion.html

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Personally.. I take my “re-link” definition from Joseph Campbell’s inspiring.. and informative.. writings........ a trusted source..

A recommended read for.. many Christians.. and all atheists.. meaning.. those who still read religious stories literally..

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“Joseph John Campbell (March 26, 1904 – October 30, 1987) was an American mythology professor, writer, and lecturer best known for his work in the fields of comparative mythology and comparative religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell

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“Religion, as a word comes from the Latin re-ligare which means to re-link, or re-ligament. We get our English word ligament from the ligare part. And what is a ligament? It is that strong fibrous material that holds the muscles to the bones and allows our skeletal system to function and move. So religion is supposed to be a way for humankind to relink with its source, joining the soft muscles of our humanity with the skeleton of God. The idea of religion is to offer a way for humanity to rejoin a Divinity from which it has somehow been separated.”

http://www.puresilence.org/danger_of_religion.htm

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For me.. re-unite.. works much better than re-link.

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“Like all philosophers, Aristotle gives words the definitions which will be most useful for his own purpose.”

C.S Lewis

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sorry double post

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A number of religions is putting it kindly..

To me.. it seems to be.. a countless number of religions..

That ALL claim to believe in what Jesus was teaching....

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"Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and a house divided against itself will not stand."

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So.. can we really call these sects... "religions".. ?

When they are obviously not being faithful towards the teachings..

That is my reasoning.


Is it a lie.. or the truth..... to call christianity a religion.. ?

I'm wondering.


If we were to follow this recipe.. for Yorshire Pudding.. precisely..

We would have something really delicious to eat.. with some roast beef.. and mint sauce.

A dish fit for kings...

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Yorkshire Pudding

Ingredients
vegetable oil
290ml/½ pint milk
4 eggs, beaten
255g/9oz plain flour, sifted
salt and freshly ground black pepper

Method
1. Preheat the oven to 220C/425F/Gas 7.
2. Grease a Yorkshire pudding tin with a little vegetable oil. Place the tin in the oven to preheat.
3. Place the milk, eggs and seasoning in a bowl. Stir well to combine.
4. Whisk in the flour.
5. Remove the tin from the oven. Pour in the batter, filling each case only three quarters full.
6. Place the tin in the oven and bake for 10 minutes, or until puffy and raised.
7. Remove the puddings from the oven and serve.

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But what would happen if we cherry picked.. only a few of the instructions..

Then.. mis-interpreted them..

And ignored the rest.. ?


Would it be Yorshire Pudding then.. ?

And.. would it taste good......... or yucky.. ?


Would we be lying.. or truthful..

Calling it Yorkshire Pudding.. ?


Yet.. isn't this what is happening.. when it comes to religions.. ?

They strain out the gnat......... but gulp down the camel.

So is that really religion....... ?

Or just plain old hypocracy.. ?

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"Isaiah aptly prophesied about you hypocrites, as it is written, ‘This people honour me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach as doctrines the commands of men.

Letting go the commandment of God, you hold fast the tradition of men.

Further, he went on to say to them: ‘Adroitly you set aside the commandment of God in order to retain your tradition.. and thus you make the word of God invalid by your tradition which you handed down. And many things similar to this you do.’"

Matthew 15:3 & Mark 7:6

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True..... or false.. ?


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Christianity is in fact a religion despite its many branches. Whoever suggested otherwise is wrong. Who is the best rock band of all time? This question is very much like the question posed in the title of this thread. "True" Christianity exists whenever and wherever the followers of Jesus Christ say and do what would have pleased Him. In other words, the conceit of "True" Christianity can exist within ANY denomination or branch. I consider myself a Catholic, but denominations are not important to me. If the form of Christianity you practise does what it's supposed to, it is the "true" sect as far as you yourself are concerned.

Since Islam and Hinduism also have many internal sects, are they too not actually religions? Of course they are! This is such foolishness! Despite the undeniable fact of the Bible's gradual distortion over time, it does not invalidate Christianity as a religion. Why would it?

This foolishness annoys me.