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05 Sep 2008, 5:46 pm

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This test looks like BS

I don't see anything hear that isn't old news in gender psychology.


Doesn't mean it necessarily isn't BS

And your reasoning behind the fact that this is in fact BS is...?

Yeah... I mean, the quiz does not claim certainty, and they state to be based on scientific studies or observations, obviously there is a fair amount of doubt here, but still, it seemed they tried to not look biased, even though I greatly question the thing about the right thumb and the ring fingers thing.

And, yes, saying it is BS, wouldn't do much without backing that up, other than just, maybe, dislike.


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05 Sep 2008, 5:48 pm

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I mean, the quiz does not claim certainty, and they state to be based on scientific studies or observations, obviously there is a fair amount of doubt here, but still, it seemed they tried to not look biased, even though I greatly question the thing about the right thumb and the ring fingers thing.


Yeah it's like phrenology or 'black people have lower intelligence' in a different form


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05 Sep 2008, 5:49 pm

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I mean, the quiz does not claim certainty, and they state to be based on scientific studies or observations, obviously there is a fair amount of doubt here, but still, it seemed they tried to not look biased, even though I greatly question the thing about the right thumb and the ring fingers thing.


Yeah it's like phrenology or 'black people have lower intelligence' in a different form

You're not one of those "OMG psychometrics have been wrong therefore they're all crap" people are you?


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05 Sep 2008, 6:02 pm

chever wrote:
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I mean, the quiz does not claim certainty, and they state to be based on scientific studies or observations, obviously there is a fair amount of doubt here, but still, it seemed they tried to not look biased, even though I greatly question the thing about the right thumb and the ring fingers thing.


Yeah it's like phrenology or 'black people have lower intelligence' in a different form


No, I disagree. Most modern psychology has an empirical/experimental base, - theories are proposed, measurements are made, etc. There are general differences between men and women, the left brain/right brain distinction is real, etc etc.

I agree that this is a relatively quick and dirty test, and not so much should be read into it. But it is not only interesting - it is connected to reality where phrenology was not.



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05 Sep 2008, 6:08 pm

twoshots wrote:
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I mean, the quiz does not claim certainty, and they state to be based on scientific studies or observations, obviously there is a fair amount of doubt here, but still, it seemed they tried to not look biased, even though I greatly question the thing about the right thumb and the ring fingers thing.


Yeah it's like phrenology or 'black people have lower intelligence' in a different form

You're not one of those "OMG psychometrics have been wrong therefore they're all crap" people are you?


They're dubious

EDIT - e.g., the ratio of male to female hard scientists varies widely between countries. If high male to female ratios were a result of innate differences between men and women in terms of intellect, you'd expect them to observe a fairly regular pattern. They do not.

btw, I took the test up to the finger measurement part, when I hit that 'X' button on the tab, and I got 'male' scores on the angle detection part (v. high) and the object misplacement test (v. low) and, surprisingly, 'female' scores on the expression recognition test, which totally came out of the blue considering I am male, with AS. Anecdotes don't mean much, but this result is unusual.


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06 Sep 2008, 11:34 am

13/20 angle judgment
Correctly identified 6/14 moved objects, incorrectly identified 2 objects.
EQ: 3/20
SQ: 19/20
6/10 eyes.
Didn't have a ruler available.
I prefer more feminine faces (really they all looked very similar).
7/12 mental rotation.
10 words with gray (albeit I noticed I forgot the commas and went back and added them), 11 with happy.
I'd also split the money half and half because that only seems fair.



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06 Sep 2008, 11:47 am

chever wrote:

EDIT - e.g., the ratio of male to female hard scientists varies widely between countries. If high male to female ratios were a result of innate differences between men and women in terms of intellect, you'd expect them to observe a fairly regular pattern. They do not.


You are discounting possible genetic differences, AND possible developmental differences which could result from diet, diseases, sun exposure (and a thousand other physical geographic variables), and from that bugaboo called culture (collectively forming 'environment'). Do you know of a table with reliable figures on the proportion of women scientists by country? That would be interesting to analyze.

I once analyzed the Transparency International rankings of corruption around the world. There was a very strong negative correlation between corruption and the status of women for the countries with the lowest corruption scores. (This was co-linear with mainline Protestantism and cultures that favored egalitarianism and were highly democratic, and the Human Development Index. )



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07 Sep 2008, 5:17 am

I had a detailed article by a physicist interested in these kinds of things but I can't find the damn thing anymore


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07 Sep 2008, 5:37 am

Got 12/12 on the rotation...love doing that sort of stuff.

Got a male brain here :D



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07 Sep 2008, 5:40 am

Oh & very male fingers 0.93 & 4/20 in empathy



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08 Sep 2008, 8:29 pm

chever wrote:
This test looks like BS


Have you tried it?



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08 Sep 2008, 8:41 pm

Yes.


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08 Sep 2008, 8:45 pm

My brain is male. I don't need a test to tell me that. If my brain were female, I would have known years ago. I thank God that my brain and body are in gender agreement. I cannot imagine how much more difficult my life would be if I were "unequally yoked."



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08 Sep 2008, 9:49 pm

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My brain is male. I don't need a test to tell me that. If my brain were female, I would have known years ago. I thank God that my brain and body are in gender agreement. I cannot imagine how much more difficult my life would be if I were "unequally yoked."

They mean in terms of cognition.


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08 Sep 2008, 9:59 pm

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bondage, S&M, varying positions.

ERR what are you referrig to?


Yes, WTF???



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08 Sep 2008, 10:10 pm

chever wrote:
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I mean, the quiz does not claim certainty, and they state to be based on scientific studies or observations, obviously there is a fair amount of doubt here, but still, it seemed they tried to not look biased, even though I greatly question the thing about the right thumb and the ring fingers thing.


Yeah it's like phrenology or 'black people have lower intelligence' in a different form

You're not one of those "OMG psychometrics have been wrong therefore they're all crap" people are you?


They're dubious

EDIT - e.g., the ratio of male to female hard scientists varies widely between countries. If high male to female ratios were a result of innate differences between men and women in terms of intellect, you'd expect them to observe a fairly regular pattern. They do not.

well, it might depend on some factors, possibly race, environment and culture, you have a point in the sense that it is often a cultural thing, when it comes to gender roles, nevertheless, there seem to be some truth in it, I mean how about the level of testosterone and progesterone in an individual?

I'm not sure about the right/left brain though and the differences on the brain, it is often said that women are more empathetic than men, and being able to feel more compasion than men, but then, our cultural system seem to have something to do with it, which can put that into doubt, however, the doubt also lies in the idea that gender roles which are related to culture, might have been originated and influenced partly in nature, when it comes to bearing children and the care of babies.


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