Human imperfection

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Oh, you already know my answer...

~Because they aren't all like AG

sil-ly (sile)adj. sil-li-er, sil-li-est. 1. Exhibiting a lack of wisdom or good sense; foolish. See Synonyms at foolish. 2. Lacking seriousness or responsibleness; frivolous: indulged in silly word play; silly pet names for each other. 3. Semiconscious; dazed: knocked silly by the impact.

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Let's see, either you are saying it is foolish, which is hard to objectively say about anything unless you know our aims or hold to some absolute wisdom, so meaning 1 is at best subjective. Meaning 2 is also subjective. And meaning 3 does not apply.

Now, as for confusing people, where is there confusion? I have laid forward the answers to the questions rather straightforwardly and let people push forward with their own notions of humanity and perfection. There is nothing confusing about that unless one is easily befuddled, and that is scarcely my fault. Not only that, but "absolute nonsense" is an assertion, and one that hardly holds given that even you have an answer to my question, and if one can answer a question then it is scarcely nonsensical, thus meaning that you refuted your statement. That being, "perfection" itself can be argued to have objectivity to it as it can refer to traits such as "completeness", or it can be argued to hold subjective meanings as well that can apply just as well, it could even be held to have moral meaning and despite morals being odd even anti-moralists such as J.L. Mackie are willing to grant that the notions are consistent despite how odd they are and perhaps epistemically unjustified, meaning that deviations in opinions away from your own can be held to by other beings.

And what an amazing answer it is! If only more people answered that way....

Despite your diarrhetic verbosity if it is not blatantly obvious to you how foolish your query is there is clearly no reason for me to participate further as you have no ability to understand.

Sand, if you consider a position to be a blatant failure and unworthy of further analysis, then communication was never in your agenda in the first place.

Please accept my profound apologies. I must have given you the impression that I was trying to convince you of something. I was not. I was merely trying to inform you of the clear and obvious profound stupidity of the posed question. Since there is no way you can perceive this we are at a total barrier in transferring valid information. I have a pet sparrow and I frequently try to indicate to him the futility of some of his aspirations. So I am used to this type of interchange and I find them amusing but futile.

Sand, I have already accounted for the position that the question is meaningless. But, to suppose it is anything but a particular position is a failing on your part, as from the point of the OP itself, it is obvious that I recognize your position's existence. Right, well Sand, you remind me of why I hate pets.

Evolution is a constantly changing force. I think evolution has a lot to do with all the differences in how people are wired, what people can conceive and what they can't, their proclivities to certain behaviors, proclivities to various addictions, just like proclivities to different physical and cell-level ailments.

I think the debate tends to be - did God put this all in motion, if so did this happen deliberately, and if so why. That's probably the most important question of my life.

It rather looks as if your conclusion, that humans are not perfect, is based on feeling, or believing yourself to be, separate, on not feeling part of "one" thing, the universe.

This is interesting, because it fits with most spiritual traditions' ideas on the subject, that it is alienation, not understanding or feeling yourself to be an indissoluble part of the universe, that leads to belief in human imperfection, with all the consequences this attitude tends to have, like trying to perfect it.

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Only the world of forms is perfect, really

Really!

Why/In what way do you mean that?

I was thinking that a bit back, my post saying that the word "perfect" was perhaps only useful/non-meaningless in reference to things like circles, pyramids and fitted cupboards, but still believing that humans are perfect in so far as the word has any meaning.

Do you mean that? Or do you mean that humans are imperfect, in which case why do you think that?

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Humans are so flawed it's very unlikely they could ever be capable of perfection. Nature outside the human realm, on the other hand, is another story.

What makes you think that humans are so different to the rest of nature that they would be imperfect when other animals are not?

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http://www.philosophicalsociety.com/Arc ... of%20Forms

Fitted cupboards are not even close to perfect btw



There is no perfect anything here in the physical realm

The word perfect is subjective so I don't disagree with you Chever. I won't be in anymore nonsensical debates but I do find that nature is the only aspect that could ever qualify as being perfect. We wouldn't be here if there wasn't something mighty perfect going on. As to everything else that goes on after that, no there's nothing perfect about it and never will be.

The word "perfect" describes how something fits to an ideal precisely. If you have no concept as to what that ideal is you have no way of judging perfection.