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16 Sep 2008, 9:38 am

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Did someone stab you? :?

Reality did, in the back no less.



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16 Sep 2008, 9:47 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Did someone stab you? :?

Reality did, in the back no less.


You think you're the only one got stabbed in the back by reality? You ain't.



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16 Sep 2008, 11:02 am

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You think you're the only one got stabbed in the back by reality? You ain't.

Well then, your response negates your question, as you should have asked for stabbings in addition to the one by reality in the back. Not only that, but I never said I was the only one.



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16 Sep 2008, 11:13 am

I voted for Fascism! I hate everbody!
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16 Sep 2008, 11:19 am

I wish I could take stock in anarchy


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16 Sep 2008, 11:21 am

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I wish I could take stock in anarchy


What is there to take stock in?



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16 Sep 2008, 11:46 am

Humans need a leader. Anarchy is not omniarchy, I'm not talking about having no ruler. We need a ruler but not necessarily a big government to rule over us. The word anarchy has been demonized.

Anyway, I just wanted to see some replies and I didn't expect anything. Why is it that Republicans and right wingers are tougher than free thinkers? It's like all the free thinkers are sitting around smoking pot and pontificating but not doing anything to change anything.

If you can't beat 'em join 'em or go move to Fiji.


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16 Sep 2008, 11:49 am

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Humans need a leader. Anarchy is not omniarchy, I'm not talking about having no ruler. We need a ruler but not necessarily a big government to rule over us. The word anarchy has been demonized.

Anarchy means no ruler. What you might be thinking of is minarchy- a small, limited government.


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16 Sep 2008, 11:49 am

I hate to link to Something Positive again, but I really can't help it in this case.

http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp12102002.shtml

While Anarchism does have a few benefits over the current system, it puts far, far too much trust in society to not let it become a Fascism/Tyranny, and I'm way too much of a misanthrope to believe in everyone.



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16 Sep 2008, 11:52 am

Orwell wrote:
Magnus wrote:
Humans need a leader. Anarchy is not omniarchy, I'm not talking about having no ruler. We need a ruler but not necessarily a big government to rule over us. The word anarchy has been demonized.

Anarchy means no ruler. What you might be thinking of is minarchy- a small, limited government.


If people were better behaved and needed less supervision, minarchy might work. But as it is, people are essentially overgrown ADD children in need of a nanny.



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16 Sep 2008, 12:15 pm

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Anarchy means no ruler. What you might be thinking of is minarchy- a small, limited government.

Anarchy can also mean multiple ruling forces, none with complete supremacy over the other.



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16 Sep 2008, 12:17 pm

DNForrest wrote:
I hate to link to Something Positive again, but I really can't help it in this case.

http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp12102002.shtml

While Anarchism does have a few benefits over the current system, it puts far, far too much trust in society to not let it become a Fascism/Tyranny, and I'm way too much of a misanthrope to believe in everyone.

I love Something Positive, so much!!

Right, and I think the anarchist argument would be that society left to it's own devices is fascistic/tyrannical, and that anarchism is best expressed in decentralization of power rather than faggy goths who don't know the first thing about chaos. Really though, I think Max Stirner and some other individualist anarchists were noted for admitting that might is right, but that things would be better without government.



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16 Sep 2008, 12:17 pm

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If people were better behaved and needed less supervision, minarchy might work. But as it is, people are essentially overgrown ADD children in need of a nanny.

Yeah, the major issue is that ADD children watching over ADD children is hardly a nanny, and perhaps an even greater level of child abuse.



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16 Sep 2008, 1:26 pm

This is just an example of an anarchist leader.

Nestor Makhno in 1909

Nestor Makhno was born into a poor peasant family in Hulyai Pole, Yekaterioslav Governorate in Novorossiya region of Russian Empire (now Zaporizhia Oblast, Ukraine).[4][5] He was the youngest of five children. Church files show a birthdate of October 27, 1888, but Nestor Makhno's parents registered his date of birth as 1889 (possibly in an attempt to postpone conscription, or a later attempt to avoid execution after his arrest in 1910 for belonging to the anarchist group and for robberies).

His father died when he was ten months old.[6] Due to extreme poverty, he had to work as a shepherd at the age of seven.[6] He studied at the Second Hulyai Pole primary school in winter at the age of eight and worked for local landlords during the summer.[6] He left school at the age of twelve and employed as a farmhand on the estates of nobles and on the farms of wealthy peasants called kulaks.[6]

At the age of seventeen, he was employed in Hulyai Pole itself as an apprentice painter, then as a worker in a local iron foundry and, ultimately worked as a founder in the same organization.[6] During this time he became involved in revolutionary politics.[6] His involvement in revolutionary politics was based on his experiences of injustice at work and seeing the terror of the Tsarist regime during the 1905.[6] In 1906, Makhno joined the anarchist organization in Hulyai Pole.[4] He was arrested in 1906, tried, and acquitted. He was again arrested in 1907, but Makhno could not be incriminated, and the charges were dropped.[6] The third arrest came in 1908, when an infiltrator was able to testify against Makhno.[6] In 1910 Makhno was sentenced to death by hanging, but the sentence was commuted to life imprisonment and he was sent to Butyrskaya prison in Moscow.[6] In prison he came under the influence of intellectual cell mate Piotr Arshinov.[6][7][8] He was released from prison after the February Revolution in 1917.[7]

[edit] Organizing peasants' movement

After liberation from prison, Makhno organized a peasants' union.[8] It gave him a "Robin Hood" image and he expropriated large estates from landowners and distributed the land among the peasants.[8]


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16 Sep 2008, 1:55 pm

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Who here is a fan of anarchy? I mean it in the most peaceful sense. I for one would be more than humbled to bow down to a rightful leader, but as of yet, I do not see any worthy alpha male in the US government. Obama has his head in the clouds, but he is a great speaker in my opinion. Where are all the leaders? Our government is run by greedy wasps! All the men who I like are just pansy ass pusses. Why can't a strong male figure rise above this propaganda and lay the truth out before us without being so wimpy?

If anyone can rise against the establishment, it must come from an aspie who has nothing to lose. It's unrealistic for a woman to do it at this point in time. Why are liberals so weak and sentimental, so scared of being outcasts?

If you laugh, go alone and cry. I'm not looking for popular opinion but just one who recognizes the importance of political reformation.
Is there one man out there who wants to see a change in the upcoming NWO?


NWO is a death campaign.. i used to have anarchy on my mind, but honestly, inner peace, and perspective on the world is all that is required from you.. you can't change the tides now, it is way too late. that doesn't mean there is no hope, just please don't worry about it, and stay away from the coast, go live in the mainland because the disasters that will happen 2012 will be similar to Deep Impact.. the government knows all about the upcoming disasters probably from aliens, they have been here frequently as of late and that is one of the reasons why. They want most of the population to get wiped out, and after that they will continue their NWO campaign. Don't worry about politics my dear, just do the right thing, and live with courage. Stay away from politics, it has nothing to do with us. It is not run by humans any longer.



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16 Sep 2008, 2:15 pm

ShawnWilliam wrote:
NWO is a death campaign.. i used to have anarchy on my mind, but honestly, inner peace, and perspective on the world is all that is required from you.. you can't change the tides now, it is way too late. that doesn't mean there is no hope, just please don't worry about it, and stay away from the coast, go live in the mainland because the disasters that will happen 2012 will be similar to Deep Impact.. the government knows all about the upcoming disasters probably from aliens, they have been here frequently as of late and that is one of the reasons why. They want most of the population to get wiped out, and after that they will continue their NWO campaign. Don't worry about politics my dear, just do the right thing, and live with courage. Stay away from politics, it has nothing to do with us. It is not run by humans any longer.


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