Re-Incarnation

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its possible and its calld a "almost dead experience" seems like you acctualy see a light but that doesnt prove anything

Sure thing.... and science is as good as this as belief is. Science has been peddling gross inaccuracies on the pretext of certainty for century after century. There's not much that scientists believe now that they believed 100 years ago. Yet they rule (and screw up) the world. Science is just another religion, and it relies on belief in unproven concepts as much as belief does.

Sure, people who push belief act in the same way. But practically I don't see much difference between science and belief as far as "truth" is concerned, nor as far as deviousness is concerned either

I'm happy being logically illogical.

Yes, but such is the nature of life and human existence that we do not all get this.

Oh, you mean NDE?

well, he believes in God and here he is using a method that can be used to question his beliefs, too.

Actually, I'm very interested in what NDE people would have to say about their experiences. I'm not afraid of NDEs or other Unexplained Phenomena questioning my beliefs. I mean, if there really are little green men and they really have been to Earth, how would this impact our various religions? Intriguing ...

well, that's too much
science is about finding the truth, not just deciding that something is truth and that's it. science have to prove it. the philosopher Karl Popper taught that a theory can be considered scientific only if it is falsifiable. considering that, you cannot say that science and belief are the same.

but i am scientist, so maybe i am just too sensitive about it.

Religion can't be falsified because it's entirely subjective, inward-turning. You can't work with data you can't get through conventional means. Yes, I would hear more of this Karl Popper.

another intresting fact ive heard is that the universe is not eternal so there is an end somewhere wich is unbeleveable sinds there MUST be something there just cant be nothing im talking about very complex things just space or invisible wall or something

Remember that time before you were born? I don't see why it should be any different after you die. Also, one can describe what it's like when they lose consciousness (been there), and that's "nothing" (it's the suppressant of the electrical activity of the brain and sometimes the body depending on the details).

That's twp pieces of evidence that support such.

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Clinical death isn't the same thing as just losing consciousness.

I gave the answer. The greater the CNS depression, the closer one becomes to total death. One can cut themselves in a way that's minor, and they can also cut themselves in a way that makes them bleed to death--it's staged like everything.

What evidence is there to the contrary?

Clinical death is more profound than depression, no matter how severe the depression. When your heart & lungs stop, when your brain has no electrical activity, when your body temp goes down, when your pupils no longer react to light, you are medically and legally dead. A depressed person, even a suicidally depressed person, is still a living person.

let me guess...you inspired this thread from my post when I mentioned the incarnation belief of the Druze sect in the supernatural thread



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druze

CNS depression isn't the mental illness. CNS depression can be due to drugs or physical trauma. When one is sedated for surgery for example, their CNS, muscles and peripheral nerves are depressed due to a combination of drugs, and this depression is on the way to death--it's just not the whole way. If the anaesthetist gave you more and more of the drugs, you'd die due to your organs shutting down.

When you lose consciousness due to sedation, your body is shutting down, it's just not the whole way yet. Now, is it a leap of logic to assume that death wouldn't be any different to the lack of consciousness being that one is already on the path to such when they're sedated?

I don't see it as a leap. I see most other things people "believe" to be a leap of faith that are only tied into reality by feelings.

Reincarnation is at best like your mother ate a turkey and a fish when she was pregnant.

So you got your elements from a fish and a turkey.

So what else about your life did you get from that fish and that turkey?

Also if you get eaten by a pregnant bear,
what do you think the cub would have of yours?

What difference would it even make, if your mind is totally deleted
and relaced with a bear's mind, Than if the bear had it's own mind?