Operation Red Skies

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No, it isn't proven - that idea is flat-out wrong. The idea that contrails always quickly disappear and if they don't they must be 'chemtrails' is silly. Take a meteorology class and get back with us on that. A contrail is a type of cloud. If the cloud is created in dry, turbulent air, it won't last long. If it is formed in a layer of air that is near saturation, it can last for hours no problem. If the air is cold enough at 35,000 feet, the water vapor can form ice crystals - if it is dry, the crystals can sublime, but if not, they can persist.

I've looked at clouds from both sides now, from up and down, and still somehow: Its cloud illusions you recall, you really dont know clouds at all.

Do you even know what additives that is suitable to add to jet fuel in order for it to still work? If not I suggest you find that out. You are exactly the type of person I am talking about. You haven’t actually got a clue what might work, you are gust convinced anything that you can’t explain is a conspiracy.

You might want to also look up cloud seeding which is a technology that has been going on for a long time and asses the pro and cons.

Also these mythical chemtrails' might actually be a good idea if they where much greater altitude and dispersed dimming particulates rather then green house gasses.

The fuel is not 'filled' with vapour in the first place If you don't know about condensation then how are going to know about 'chemdensation'?

There is a substance called water - in certain atmospheric conditions, it is dispersed into droplets too small to block sunlight, hence clear skies. In other conditions, it forms bigger droplets and these are plainly visible (clouds) and can easily remain so for hours, even though it is chemically identical to the other sort. I thought this was common knowledge. You don't need a different chemical composition for some contrails to disperse immediately and others not to.

In fact, stealth bombers inject a contrail inhibiting agent into their exhaust

However, @ ShawnWilliam, I don't see why you're getting your panties in a twist over weather control: China openly cloud seeded during the Olympics and publicly available military documents have suggested that weather control may be a useful weapon. That is not a secret at all.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 ... onday.html

When jet fuel burns, it produces carbon dioxide and water vapour, which condenses and forms contrails. The water vapour does not come from additives, it is instead a natural by-product of burning a fossil fuel.

Occam's Razor strikes again!

tHEN WE ARE REALLY SKREWD!! tEH NIEUW CHEMTRAILS INVISIBLE!!

Sure there may be talk of a "New World Order" with the United Nations and all, but the United Nations is corrupt, weak and ineffective...much like the government of South Vietnam. The United Nations can't do anything to take away US sovereignty...hell, they can't even stand up against Hutu militants in Rwanda.

Hmm ... invisible chemtrails that no one can see, emitted by stealth aircraft that don't show up on radar, and the only evidence that would prove this is unavailable, which implies that there is a cover-up, and such a cover-up could only be accomplished by agents of the highest levels of the New World Order, and only with Reticulian technology, so the only conclusion is that we're all going to die ...

I think the one about "Little Red Riding Hood" is much better.

Lol..





I know what f*****g contrails are.








In the video, it shows one plane flying, emmitting a contrail that dissipates immediately. Stay with me.




Anther plane in the same scene, same shot, same moment, is also flying by and leaves a contrail that doesn't go away.. I'm not talking about a contrail that goes away after two hours. It's a contrail that stays and slowly puffs out, but it doesn't go away.



These planes that form the latter kind do criss cross formations in the sky, in areas that have no airports, done all over the world.




This doesn't support any logical explanation that it's regular planes flying around, it's an organized event controlled by an agenda. Whatever the agenda is, is surely a mystery. If it is 'weather control', then it should not be a secret, and everybody should know.





You think you're smart.









But If you're not going to pay attention to the details, then don't post an essay on what contrails are, or what jet fuels are made of.






you're supposed to actually pay attention to the details.












Instead of following the same old path of passive aggressive ignorance.











Seriously.




































For f**k sakes.

ShawnWilliam, HOW can you be absolutely sure of the authenticity of this video?
On a different note, people here are talking about this loony conspiracy theory that the goverment is manipulating weather when 40 years ago a Soviet sub nearly launched a Nuclear Attack on Hawaii! But miraculously something went wrong and the missile blew up inside of its launch tube and the sub sunk instead.... (see the K-129 thread)

Slightly different altitudes may mean that the contrail is above saturation in some cases but not others, likewise if the exhausts are at slightly different temperatures (saturation being sensitive to temperature), etc. Just as you don't get, when there are clouds, one huge cloud uniformly distributed everywhere - water does not condense equally at every point in the sky. Humidity from the first plane may well have pushed it close to the saturation point so there was condensation for the second plane.
Like the typical conspiracy nut, you change your story as soon as people prove you wrong - you said contrails were invisible and visible contrails must be made of some mysterious chemical and not water vapour ('regular jet fuel disappears right away'), now that you can't argue against clouds being visible the argument is that some are disappearing and other aren't.

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Sounds like cloud seeding.



Who says it's a secret? Just because they didn't personally notify every time they do it you doesn't mean it's secret.



Like you don't think you're a genius because supposedly you know about some nefarious government plot with poisoned contrails while 'sheeple' bother checking facts and looking for logical explanations?

Shawn William,

To keep your posts from boring the rest of us and to keep them from scrolling off the page, please just select one of the following arguments by number to support your claims, and then post the number:

1. "Galileo Fallacy" - Everybody laughed at Galileo, and he was right. Everybody laughs at me, therefore I must be right.
   
2. "Residue Fallacy" - After all the bad data, fakes, and obvious errors are weeded out, there are still a few unexplained cases that indicate that something actually happened, and their inexplicability is proof enough of their conspiratorial origins.
   
3. "Explanation by Default" - Science can't explain it, but I can, therefore my explanation must be right.
   
4. "A 'Theory' is whatever I want it to be" - A theory is any body of ideas, guesses, or suspicions that require no proof or validation. Therefore, I can say whatever I want and you'd be a fool to disbelieve it.
   
5. "Attacks on Inference and Deduction" - If we're restricted to only what we see directly, and to what we can conclude by disciplined inference and deduction from those observations, then we will never know very much about the world.
   
6. "Be Free to Believe" - Observation by an untrained witness is much more likely to be free from restrictive facts and logic, and therefore carries more validity than anything that any scientist could prove by observation, experiment, and peer-group review.
   
7. "Vagueness is the Root of Accuracy" - I don't have to provide any details to prove that I'm right. In fact, the fewer details I provide, the more accurate my claims.
   
8. "Exaggeration of Uncertainty" - If science can't answer one question, then it can't answer any questions.
   
9. "Buzzwords / Technobabble" - I know all the same words used by experts in their respective fields. That I use those words improperly without knowing their real meaning is irrelevant - they mean whatever I want them to.
   
10. "Suppressed Evidence" - The evidence needed to prove my claims is missing, therefore it must have been redacted or suppressed, thus proving that Higher Powers are at play to keep us from knowing the truth.
    
11. "Ridicule is the Ultimate Truth" - Since you don't believe what I tell you, this proves that you are too stupid to understand it, which in turn implies that you are also too stupid to know it when I call you stupid.

There, that should cover 99% of your posts.

Hmmm, using a fallacy of ridiculing the opponent, is used here by few members here, yes.

Fnord, does this list of fallacies have a reliable source or is it a matter of opinion? I mean, would it be unreasonable to question the level of veracity and accuracy about it?

I am not defending the person you replied to btw.

Not really

Perspective.

"This plane is the same height as that plane.. etc etc"

And they know this how, with their handheld digicam?

Has anyone requested flight plans for these mystery jets that tic tac toe? Actually gone and asked the correct authorities for the information?