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26 Sep 2008, 10:50 pm

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All this assumes Jesus would need to run for public office upon his return to Earth. We already know how he felt about politics, politicians, and bureacracy. Here in the 21st century, therre are pharisees everywhere.

Look, this is what it says on YouTube in the video description: "In some alternate universe, Jesus Christ is running for U.S. president. Here's the ad his opponent might have to run. " From that alone you can tell this is meant nothing more than a joke, look how obvious it is if you watch it. He's not trying to send any message other than humor, not humor targeted towards Christians (Though I think plenty would find it funny) but humor targeted towards the way our presidential candidates have been attempting to attack each other. It's not saying he needs to run for public office, where are you getting this from?



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27 Sep 2008, 2:07 am

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The narrator of this video has misunderstood and misrepresented all of his talking-points. And I know this guy's voice from other anti-Christian smear campaigns.

...It's satire, he's not making any points, he's just making fun of the propaganda our presidential candidates make up all the time, he's not attacking Jesus.


No, I think he's attacking Jesus. I'm not stupid.

Not really, he's showing how even Jesus' beloved ideas (or at least those attributed to him) could be taken out of context and misconstrued to make him look bad. Really, the speaker was drawing an implicit comparison with Barack Obama (e.g., "community organizer" as "liberal activist").



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27 Sep 2008, 2:54 am

If jesus ran for pres the right wing fundie christians would assassinate him


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27 Sep 2008, 2:56 am

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Not really, he's showing how even Jesus' beloved ideas (or at least those attributed to him) could be taken out of context and misconstrued to make him look bad. Really, the speaker was drawing an implicit comparison with Barack Obama (e.g., "community organizer" as "liberal activist").


Specifically, that part was a parody of Rudy Giuliani ridiculing Obama


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27 Sep 2008, 4:57 am

If Jesus ran for presidency the mob would crucify him... people don't change.



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27 Sep 2008, 6:41 am

Oh, I see. Alright then.



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28 Sep 2008, 11:31 am

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The narrator of this video has misunderstood and misrepresented all of his talking-points.


I take it as a spoof of political ads in general, and Republicanism and McCain in particular. Don't you think that those charges would be leveled against Jesus or anyone who preached the Sermon on the Mount today if they ran for political office? Are the poor too blessed to get off their asses and get a job? Why should good, hardworking Americans be taxed to support those who made bad decisions? What's with this nonsense about people selling all they have and giving the money to the poor? The vicious attacks against the rich, claiming that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a wealthy person to enter the kingdom of heaven? That sounds like 60's style communism to me! That is not change we can believe in!!



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28 Sep 2008, 12:14 pm

monty wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
The narrator of this video has misunderstood and misrepresented all of his talking-points.


I take it as a spoof of political ads in general, and Republicanism and McCain in particular. Don't you think that those charges would be leveled against Jesus or anyone who preached the Sermon on the Mount today if they ran for political office? Are the poor too blessed to get off their asses and get a job? Why should good, hardworking Americans be taxed to support those who made bad decisions? What's with this nonsense about people selling all they have and giving the money to the poor? The vicious attacks against the rich, claiming that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a wealthy person to enter the kingdom of heaven? That sounds like 60's style communism to me! That is not change we can believe in!!


Vicious attacks against the rich, huh? By who? And you assume that poverty is a result of character flaw? You piece of vomit ...



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28 Sep 2008, 3:42 pm

Hell yeah I'd vote for Jesus. Anyone who really understands Mathew-John would know that Jesus would break the Republican Party. Jesus was not a conservative, if anything he was very radical for his time.

Great quote "It is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."

Take that Pat Robertson! Go Jesus 08'! !



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28 Sep 2008, 4:13 pm

slowmutant wrote:
monty wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
The narrator of this video has misunderstood and misrepresented all of his talking-points.


I take it as a spoof of political ads in general, and Republicanism and McCain in particular. Don't you think that those charges would be leveled against Jesus or anyone who preached the Sermon on the Mount today if they ran for political office? Are the poor too blessed to get off their asses and get a job? Why should good, hardworking Americans be taxed to support those who made bad decisions? What's with this nonsense about people selling all they have and giving the money to the poor? The vicious attacks against the rich, claiming that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a wealthy person to enter the kingdom of heaven? That sounds like 60's style communism to me! That is not change we can believe in!!


Vicious attacks against the rich, huh? By who? And you assume that poverty is a result of character flaw? You piece of vomit ...


Just repeating what I hear every day from Republican co-workers and neighbors. It wasn't my opinion, and given the complex irony, I understand your anger at my statements. So let me turn off all irony and sarcasm, and hear me out.

Below is a link to one of the most comprehensive surveys on American's attitudes towards poverty. If you read through it, you will find that 63% of Republicans believe that people are poor because they did not do enough for themselves; by contrast, a majority of Democrats (57%) attribute poverty to circumstances - ie, being born into poverty, or experiencing unfortunate events. There are also big gaps between the parties in terms of whether tax money should go to helping the poor - most Republicans believe that poverty cannot be solved, so there is little reason for government to try. Other research has shown that conservatives tend to be more comfortable with inequity and injustice - they accept it as a fact of life.

People on both sides agree that drug abuse and mental health issues contribute to poverty - in fact, the poor themselves are more likely to cite this as a main cause. But one party is more likely to favor rehabilitation and health services for drug and mental problems, while the other party is more likely to favor jail as a 'solution' to substance abuse, and they don't seem to care that a person with a criminal conviction has an even harder time getting a job and getting back on their feet.

I will say that neither main political party is an attempt to implement the Sermon on the Mount, but that the Republicans have much more hostility to those ideas. Republicanism and conservatism and libertarianism are much more about rugged individualism and making it against the odds, and not taxing those who are economically successful to help the poor. The Democrats are more likely to favor those ideas.

There are problems with being too generous with social programs - as an unintended consequence, it can foster a culture of welfare dependency, as Republicans (and some Democrats) have pointed out. I think social programs should be evaluated and adjusted - if something doesn't work or makes things worse, change tactics. But I would rather have a government that aspires to the ideas of Jesus and Gandhi - even if they cannot solve all the problems, they should try. I favor a hand-up over a hand-out, but I think that sometimes both are needed.

http://www.npr.org/programs/specials/poll/poverty/



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28 Sep 2008, 4:56 pm

If Jesus were a real messiah, and he really was the "son of god", and he came back, this is an **if**, if he were what christianity claimed him to be and he came back...... The Christians would nail him right back on the cross again.



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28 Sep 2008, 6:00 pm

monty wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
The narrator of this video has misunderstood and misrepresented all of his talking-points.


I take it as a spoof of political ads in general, and Republicanism and McCain in particular. Don't you think that those charges would be leveled against Jesus or anyone who preached the Sermon on the Mount today if they ran for political office? Are the poor too blessed to get off their asses and get a job? Why should good, hardworking Americans be taxed to support those who made bad decisions? What's with this nonsense about people selling all they have and giving the money to the poor? The vicious attacks against the rich, claiming that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a wealthy person to enter the kingdom of heaven? That sounds like 60's style communism to me! That is not change we can believe in!!


It's not really 60's style communism as mush as it is uh... THE BIBLE!! !
I can't help but love conservatives. They know that their religion contradicts their beliefs yet they still cling on to it because it's tradition, and tradition is just too bada$$ to let go of. Republicans maybe greedy and hypocritical, but they have balls!



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28 Sep 2008, 6:09 pm

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If Jesus were a real messiah, and he really was the "son of god", and he came back, this is an **if**, if he were what christianity claimed him to be and he came back...... The Christians would nail him right back on the cross again.


Nah. When he comes again, it will be judgement day. Jesus was crucified only because it fulfilled his mission on Earth. He allowed himself to be crucified that one time to conquer sin and death. When Jesus comes again it will be to judge from the throne.



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28 Sep 2008, 6:54 pm

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Great quote "It is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."


Well, the Jews back then believed that the wealthier you were, the more in favor with God you were. He was speaking to that context telling them rather precisely that a rich person will not get in on their own merits, and if a rich person can't, so it would apply to anyone else.



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03 Oct 2008, 12:30 pm

Oh, politics. Where is king Ashoka when you need him?



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14 Nov 2010, 5:06 pm

Jesus (president) would have to select a woman as a running mate (vice-president) to get elected today.