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AlexandertheSolitary
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26 Nov 2008, 9:03 am

Yes, Gabriel often seems to get important diplomatic posts to the human world.

How long-lived are your hypothetical aliens, my great and worthy opponent?


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26 Nov 2008, 9:22 am

its very simple my friend. but people like to make it so goddamn confusing and im sick of it! (it is not this confusing) angels=aliens. mans back then didnt know what to call some things so he used his vocabulary to best describe what he was seeing! man wasnt supose to leave the jungle and another alien made him aware. and it all went downhill after that because it got turned into a religion

i dont know how long the aliens live, but apparently its more than 120 years :wink:


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28 Nov 2008, 10:55 am

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how in the world can king david be the ansestor of jesus christ when he wasnt human? he was god incarnate wasnt he?

i supose king solomon was also related to jesus :lol:


Yes.. Solomon and David.. were the metaphorical "fathers" to Jesus' Spirit.. as were all the other former prophets.. the "fathers" of his spirit.

Jesus said "I existed before Abraham."

Words and genes serve the same purpose.. that carry bits of information forwards in time.. in this sense.. scriptural words are - metaphorically - God's genes.. being carried forward to each new reader.

When Jesus speaks of "his Father".. he is referring to the words written in the scripture. The words of all the former prophets combined. The whole being greater than the sum of its parts.

If we consider the opening passages of John's Gospel.. "In the beginning was the word.. the word was a god.. and the word became flesh.. etc.. this explains words are God's genes.. poetically.

If we understand these words as being the genes of God.. the spirit of Jesus was – impregnated – by this past ancient wisdom.. symbolized by the Virgin Birth mythology.. which means.. the Spirit of Chirst has not lain down with the thoughts of men (think poetry).

Metaphorically speaking.. men getting in bed with (the thoughts of) men.

What the writers are doing is uploading their thoughts and feelings into hearts and minds that exist in their future.. meaning.. the reader.

However many repeated readings are needed to take their thoughts in.. The language they use is not straightforward and is often cloaked in ambiguities to keep out the casual reader.

So when the writers appear to be talking about sexuality.. they are not..

Well.. maybe more on that later.

The point I'm making is.. just as we pass on our genes from generation to generation.. the former prophets passed on their spirit.. by means of their words.

Their bodies have rotted and gone.. but their spirit remains alive in their writings.

In this sense.. Christ still exists.. as does David and Solomon.

They all exist.. here.. and now..

But in the Spirit... not the flesh.

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Jesus said: "Whoever drinks from my mouth shall become like me; and I shall become he, and the hidden things will be revealed to him. One who seeks will find; for one who knocks it will be opened.

Fortunate is the one who has worked hard and has found life.

Fortunate is the one that came into being before coming into being.

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29 Nov 2008, 6:11 pm

well thank you for proving my point, jesus couldnt have had relatives on earth. if he was the word, and the word became a man then he was 100% god what i dont understand is why he needed a woman to make him if he already existed before abraham?

your probably going to tell me that he had to be made like his brothers or something, but then i have another question if hes god and can do anything why would he choose such a hard situation to be in and follow its rules? i think he likes making people suffer. he liked making his own son suffer. i know this because i read it somewhere in the bible

thats messed up. loving and caring god? righttt.


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30 Nov 2008, 5:30 am

When God made the world it was a perfect place to live.
There was only one simple rule: Not to eat from the forbidden tree.
By breaking that rule, Adam and Eve learned how to be evil. Evil people die.
Jesus talked to Adam and Eve in the garden before they broke the rule and
couldn't live there any more.
Since everyone else was children of Adam and Eve they were also evil.
There was no easy way to fix the world.

It got so awful that God had to flood it and make people live even shorter lives
while he worked on his plan to fix it. The flood was the first end of the world.

God had to let his son live as a man who never did anything wrong and still die
because it was the only way to fix the problem that people die because they are evil.
I guess it fixed the problem because someone who was not evil died.
The proof of the problem being fixed was Jesus coming back and telling
everyone that after we die we will live again also.
He showed that the problem was fixed.
It wasn't fair for him to die since he wasn't evil.
But he died and came back, so we will too,
and also to show us (how) we will come back too.

This had to be done because God couldn't just undo evil and death.
The devil wanted God to. Adam and Eve wanted God to.
But God would have had to break God's own rules, and be corrupted.
The universe can't work right with broken rules, or without unbroken rules.

After people die they will come back on a new or future earth or "in heaven",
and they will remember what happened before as if it was just a bad dream,
and the new world will not have any possibility of doing evil in it.
It will be better than the garden of eden.
It will be worth all the trouble that everyone had on earth because
It will be THAT MUCH better than the garden of eden.
No one will be able to break commandments.
No one will steal because they will be able to create or just ask God for stuff.
...and when you can make stuff out of nothing what the heck is money for?
No one will commit adultery because there will be some kind of universal love
that the angels do, which might be sexual because supposedly before the flood
there were hybrids of evil angels and people that were apparently made by
evil angels having sex with people. People won't be married anymore.
Why won't people be married? Jesus said so when people asked him:
What if two people had multiple marriages in THIS life?
Who would be married to them in the next life then?

No one will lie because the truth will be obvious.
No one will kill because everyone will be immortal.
People will make music because they are happy,
not because they have to do a job of singing hallelujia for all eternity.

The new world will be wonderful but not too different than here.
There will be no clock time nor calendars.
There will be light but no sun to count hours, days, and years with.
There will be more food than everyone will want or need to eat.
There will be water and wine,
(and if someone wants beer I can't imagine why they wouldn't be able to have it).
There will be new colors seen, and new octaves of music heard.
There will be houses for everyone, forever.
There will be 1000-fine gold, so pure you can see through it like glass.

Everyone who comes back from the dead will be healed forever.
Maybe Jesus will keep his nail marks forever if he thinks we need to remember, I don't know.

That's what I think the bible says, and what I think Jesus said, his plan is.

Jesus had to be a man to undo what Adam did,
by following God's rules and dieing innocent and coming back alive.



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30 Nov 2008, 2:14 pm

Magnus wrote:
Do you have a spell check? I know about sleep paralysis. This is not earth shattering news. btw, I've never had total sleep paralysis. Maybe you should investigate DMT instead. DMT is in every living thing. It's a hallucinogenic. Our minds are not closed systems, devoid of the portal of where you think aliens reside.

Have you had much interaction with the mentally ill? I've gotten to know some people on the streets which makes me think there are demons.
The hacker wouldn't want you to know he's hacking, right?

Going for the grammar/spell check petty insult, hey Magnus. Magnus, you're crazy


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30 Nov 2008, 2:24 pm

MrMark wrote:
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its quite clear magnus is mentally ill and is in need of some psychiatric care,

Richard, that's a completely inappropriate thing to say, even in PPR.


Mr. Mark, isn't it completely inappropriate for Magnus to be insulting richardbenson on the way he spells or writes? Mr. Mark, I didn't see you warn Magnus. Why haven't you? I notice you warn people that seem not to agree with Magnus or these Christian folk that spew their petty insults non-stop


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30 Nov 2008, 6:52 pm

Pointing out a person's inability to see the obvious is not an insult. If you are going to bash religion, make sure your reading comprehension level is past that of a third grader.

To say I am crazy is a bit more insulting. A crazy person doesn't know the difference between a hallucination and real life, I do. Sleep paralysis is caused by a leakage of DMT in the brain. DMT is what causes visions. DMT is in every living thing. We experience it in dreams every night. Do you think you go crazy when you dream? Perhaps your mind is not strong enough to withstand meditation. Do your home work before you go around calling people crazy. Also, notice how I refrained from calling richardbenson crazy for believing in aliens, to which he never saw, heard, or experienced for himself. He read it and it's obvious his reading skills need some attention.

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Mary Magdalene said, "I saw the Lord in a vision and I said to him, 'Lord, I saw you today in a vision.'

"He answered me, 'Blessed are you for not wavering at seeing me. For where the mind is, there is the treasure.'

"I said to him, 'So now, Lord, does a person who sees a vision see it with the soul or with the spirit?'

The Savior answered, ' A person does not see with the soul or with the spirit. Rather, the mind, which exists between these two, sees the vision, and...
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The Nag Hammadi Scriptures "The Gospel of Mary with the Greek Gospel of Mary"


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01 Dec 2008, 10:46 am

How to differentiate a holy vision (angels, etc.) from an episode of delerium tremens or a hallucination? Is it a scientific difference? A difference of opinion? A question of belief?

Anybody every seen that Tim Robbins movie called Jacob's Ladder?



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01 Dec 2008, 11:12 am

Dokken wrote:
MrMark wrote:
richardbenson wrote:
its quite clear magnus is mentally ill and is in need of some psychiatric care,

Richard, that's a completely inappropriate thing to say, even in PPR.


Mr. Mark, isn't it completely inappropriate for Magnus to be insulting richardbenson on the way he spells or writes? Mr. Mark, I didn't see you warn Magnus. Why haven't you? I notice you warn people that seem not to agree with Magnus or these Christian folk that spew their petty insults non-stop

There's a hugh difference between criticizing someone's spelling and characterizing them as mentally ill.


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01 Dec 2008, 11:55 am

slow mutant,

Delerium tremons are caused by withdrawal from alcohol and are experienced by alcoholics. I've never had a hallucination that I mistook for reality. Visions occur to me in as a total body/mind experience. One time I had a vision of Jesus in a sea and he was healing people. I walked out to him and he touched my heart and it felt like he opened it and love poured inside of me. I was streaming tears of bliss and gratitude. It felt better than a thousand orgasms that transcended sexuality and it all emerged from my heart. I know it didn't happen in this reality, but nonetheless it was a life changing experience and that to me makes it valuable.

We should be able to talk about our personal experiences like this without being taunted as lunatics. Of course, Catholicism says that only priests can have direct contact with God. I think we all can experience the divine within us. Unfortunately, we can't even pray for our own forgiveness in that church because they teach that you have to go to confession. To know God you have to have a very good understanding of yourself. It can be a very difficult struggle to be brutally honest with yourself.

Power corrupts oftentimes and it's a shame that so many people exchange our free will for the safety of conformity.

How can you tell if you are having a real spiritual vision of an angel or demon? I would say that only the person having the experience can be sure.
Have you heard about the gift of discernment?

I said before that I believe there are demons who cause harm to people. I've seen demonic possession.


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