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Quite a few, actually. But part of the benefit is as a deterrent- in a well-armed society, it is far riskier to attempt criminal actions and thus they are less likely to occur.


That's a valid point, but the irresponsibility of some does not justify stripping everyone of their liberties.


It could be argued that Lincoln was indeed a tyrant. McKinley stole the 1896 election, so he could also be regarded as an illegitimate ruler. Against the US Army a civilian militia would not stand a chance in outright battle, but as seen in the current occupation of Iraq a well-armed populace really can't be subjugated very easily. In fact, the gun-holding tendencies of Americans have been cited as a reason why no country would ever be able to defeat us in outright war- you can't invade when every hillbilly in the country is able to start shooting at you.


If you are intent on getting guns, you can get them. And if they are illegal, and law-abiding citizens therefore do not have them, gun ownership would be an even bigger advantage in the execution of crimes than it is today, thus increasing the benefits of getting a gun and negating the added difficulties. Besides, most criminals don't obtain their guns through legal channels now. If you bother to look up any of the statistics, stricter gun control laws are generally followed by increases in violent crime rates, so the argument that stricter gun controls are necessary to fight crime is simply a load of bull.


Why? Presumably because of the second half of your question #3. Your proposed restrictions would create a foot-in-the-door phenomenon to justify later, ever stricter gun control policies.


Tasers and pepper sprays are also much less effective in defending oneself.


This is true.

ive always wonderd why other countrys have made it illegal for a citizen to own a gun, its alot easier to control the masses if your the one holding the gun and not them i think

i voted leave the law as is. guns are the problem.


poverty. bad education. bad parenting. not enough jobs. incrimination of people guilty of victimless crimes.


^those are the problem and what brings society down and makes morons think that limiting the accessibility of legal guns will actually fix something.

Considering the Government we have, we'd better hang onto our guns. We may need 'em

I believe that to someone who lives in a society where there is strict gun control it is obvious that the US is out of control. Here in oz if a crime is commited with a gun it makes the news, in the UK the average cop does not even need to carry a gun.

Those of you that believe guns improve your society, or make you safer should go and live in a society where there are virtually no guns and discover how fallacious this belief is.

My mother committed suicide with a gun as well. I don't blame the gun or the fact that we owned one. She just would have found another way.

I'm reminded of an experiment that was done where a city divided by a river was taken and on one side guns were banned and on the other there was mandatory gun safety classes and everyone was required to carry a concealed weapon when outside their home.

On the side where guns were banned crime skyrocketed and on the side where everyone was trained and armed it became nonexistent.

Also disarming a civilian population is one of the last steps in the transitioning of a society to despotism or totalitarianism.

As the saying goes: guns don't kill people, people kill people and humans are infinitely creative when it comes to finding ways to kill.

Personally I think the armed side of the river was a nice place. People tend to be much more respectful towards each other when they don't know if being a bastard is going to get them shot in the face.

that's nice and all except most guns used in crimes are illegally acquired. something about the criminal not wanting to be able to have the gun traced back to them.


but hey, why think logically when you can just spout out anti-gun rhetoric and look cool.

see my points about what ACTUALLY causes crime. it's not the guns that are the issue so much as it is everything else.


it's a fallacious belief to blame guns for society's problems.

Indeed. Deal with the root source of the problems.

Stupidity need not be a permanent state of mind. As I said, all it takes is one moment of anger.



I doubt that your average burglar would have a gun as they enter your house. In fact, I would imagine that a gun would be a priority item to steal, along with other valuables.

Not only that, but you needn't warn them about the pepper spray or taser. Just hit them, knock them out, and then call the cops.



I've already made that point, sinsboldly. A gun is a tool of singular purpose. Hell, even a nuclear bomb can be dismantled and the radioactive stuff used in reactors or for medical purposes.

And yet, if the criminals themselves are holding guns, how effective would the deterrent be? If some household Dirt Harry wannabe told those guys to freeze, what would happen? Bang-bang, so long, and thanks for all the fish.



So you think that the rights of others to live is below that of the right to own guns?



Iraq isn't the US Army's homeground. I know the Iraqi army have troubles in their backyard, but that's also partly due to sectarianism.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... death_rate

And while gun control doesn't necessarily reduce the number of homicides, it does reduce the amount of gun-caused homicides.



Why? Why do you even need to ask that question, Orwell? Why the hell would an American citizen outside the police or armed forces need an assault rifle, a machine pistol, or an anti-tank rifle? Hunting? Bulls***. A civilian who purchases these bears watching, if only for psychiatric reasons.



So, over a blinded or electrocuted criminal, you'd rather have a dead one?

Nice to see something that we can agree with...

You do realize that's like saying the extinction of the dinosaurs reduced the number of dinosaur-related deaths?

Unless the total number of homicides goes down your not proving that guns are dangerous only that people are.



Dead ones are less likely to get back up and attack you while you wait (hours) for the police to arrive.

Look at the UK and Australia. I dunno about the UK, but we Australians have a very sardonic view about the government. We also believe in a fair go.



Agreed. But restricting guns would help. Not by much, but it would help.

To me, the American Dream is a very self-centred one. Especially the 'Pursuit of Happiness', which always seems to be at the expense of others. Whereas Australia seems to strive more towards altruism.

To eliminate poverty, you'd first have to convince all of those selfish bastards on Wall Street to stop trying to make profits at all costs. How effective do you think a plea like THAT is going to be?

Incrimination of people guilty of victimless crimes. What do you mean?

While I am sorry for your loss, I have to say that your viewpoint is flawed. Look at Australia, or the UK. Are we despotisms? I would have thought that Bush, in his first term, was a despotism, so why didn't you rise up and depose him. My thoughts, I really think that you either didn't hate him enough, or didn't have the cojones.

Not all unarmed populations are being oppressed its true but all oppressed populations need both weapons and determination to rebel.

So we didn't have the determination for it at the time.. but making it harder to rebel by giving up your weapons isn't going to exactly help.

We can prevent more crime, skafather84. We cannot cure human nature without becoming a despotism, but we can at least reduce the methods by which crimes are committed.

It is also this false feeling of protection when you have a gun. It's basically a metal phallus masquerading as a security blanket or a teddy bear.

Actually, that's the whole point of gun ownership. Americans haven't grown up, culturally speaking. They're still a young child, clutching to their metallic teddy bear. That's what's wrong with you all. Insecurity! Insecurity in general. Insecurity, and the general attitude to making your way to success on the backs of others.

(Not that skafather84 and Orwell have this latter attitude)