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02 Dec 2008, 2:24 am

Would you like to write a story with me? :lol:


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02 Dec 2008, 2:24 am

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The evolution of the human brain has also created many mental illnesses. I think autism and schizophrenia may be bi-products of the natural drive to encourage more creativity and bring forth more genius. One person can change an entire culture so it is to our advantage to take the good with the bad.
In other words, there is greatness that comes from the refined side of autism and other mental illnesses. It is well reported that genius is more prevalent in the autists, manic depressants, and psychotic breaks have inspired creativity such as in the case with Van Gogh.

I think we descended along with the rest of the human lot. We are apes and all life on earth came from water originally. No wait, we all came from volcanic residue, no we came from the stars, but really we came from God.


This is why I think the metaphysics aspects of things would be the next question to broach; we've taken the physical about as far as we can right now and sadly, for quite a while, we've been having a great degree of dumbing down when it comes to the aspects of metaphysics. We still lack so much social direction on how to deal with things such as you mentioned above, ie. particularly how to deal with the fallout and the broader existential questions, how to deal with the elephant in the room called eugenics, we have a lot coming down the pipe at us and hopefully we really can start probing the larger questions as seriously as we've probed the sciences in the last 500-600 years to see what we're able to sort out. Right now things are accelerating and I think our generation would be making a big mistake to just pass the buck.



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02 Dec 2008, 2:27 am

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Would you like to write a story with me? :lol:

Sure. We can try and integrate it into the foundation AG provided. And Jeffey's hidden identity is L Ron Hubbard.


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02 Dec 2008, 2:28 am

Ahh, a voice of reason...

Unfortunately we will have to make our own way, be our own scientists and have no answer key to compare our notes to.

One redeeming characteristic of autists is that we are not stagnant. We can progress to the level we desire out of sheer determination and will power.
I believe the will is from God. So, it is a sort of supernatural feat to become our highest selves.


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02 Dec 2008, 2:30 am

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Would you like to write a story with me? Laughing

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Sure. We can try and integrate it into the foundation AG provided. And Jeffey's hidden identity is L Ron Hubbard.
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Let's do it. We can take it over to the writing/music forum. :D


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02 Dec 2008, 2:34 am

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Magnus wrote:
Would you like to write a story with me? :lol:

Sure. We can try and integrate it into the foundation AG provided. And Jeffey's hidden identity is L Ron Hubbard.


Uggh...be careful, its brutal. You'll be writing something great, have a lightbulb go off in your head, and then realize the OP has changed the rules to where all the old characters have now become cheese sandwiches. Way too much stress for my taste.



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02 Dec 2008, 2:42 am

Magnus wrote:
Ahh, a voice of reason...

Unfortunately we will have to make our own way, be our own scientists and have no answer key to compare our notes to.

One redeeming characteristic of autists is that we are not stagnant. We can progress to the level we desire out of sheer determination and will power.
I believe the will is from God. So, it is a sort of supernatural feat to become our highest selves.


Never having encountered God in any way whatsoever I probably am unqualified to participate in a communal story. When He stops by I'll reconsider.



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02 Dec 2008, 2:52 am

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One redeeming characteristic of autists is that we are not stagnant. We can progress to the level we desire out of sheer determination and will power.


Well, following the same rules as everyone else - we kind of are what we're given. Once you hit real genetic limits, that's it - unless the rule of genes can be broken that's as far as the chain lets you go. We have certain skill sets, some people have been lucky enough I should say, almost all of these are leveraged in ridiculous ways against our own well being. All of this just reminds me all the more of just how murky our future is, what advances the sciences will bring in repairing these issues, if those advances mean modifying genes at cellular level through receptor drugs what the fallout may be when that generation has kids, if we iron things out too clean will that cause problems as well; its almost dizzying and it won't just be us, it'll be every aspect of society seeing things get this crazy. Its why I think we'll need an external point of reference more than ever, not only for the sake of staying sane but in hopes that we may really be able to work out better and better answers about our own existence.

edit: oops...didn't know you guys were writing a story *here*



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02 Dec 2008, 3:23 am

How does one choose a point of reference that is truly external and if you do how does this make things better?



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02 Dec 2008, 4:08 am

Not really sure I feel like putting much energy into this but here it goes anyway.

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How does one choose a point of reference that is truly external


Validation through deductive reasoning like our race always has done. Nothing mysterious.

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...and if you do how does this make things better?

Its how our ethics are oriented, just a few pivotal assumptions keep us from either pushing eugenics full force or maybe even deciding as a race that its no longer worth living. It comes down to the reasons why we chose to do or not to do anything in our lives, just like why we decided somewhere along the lines that pushing old people down flights of stairs or adults raping babies wasn't ok; do you figure decisions like that just appear out of thin air and are appropriate? If you draw on harm to others, what specifically ordains that its a bad thing? I'm drawing on the rather obvious just to say that with the issues of the day that we actually do debate - they're blurry and just the slightest difference in a persons take on what fundamental reality is about can mean being fully on one side of the issue vs. the other. We already have enough problems with philosophical disagreements about the bigger picture and technology further frustrates this by raising the stakes and how much damage can be made by slighter and slighter missteps.

In the near future we'll likely be playing with things far more deadly that even nuclear bombs when you think about it and it means that we'll have to put the comfort of just passing the buck and agreeing to disagree aside to probe a lot deeper so that we can have ethics advanced enough to insure our survival as a race in the face of these kinds of dangers.

BTW I haven't talked to you much, don't know what your beliefs are on order and lack thereof in the universe. All the same I really hope your able to do better than a one-liner answer to this, otherwise I'm a sucker for even explaining it this far.



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02 Dec 2008, 4:23 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Not really sure I feel like putting much energy into this but here it goes anyway.

Sand wrote:
How does one choose a point of reference that is truly external


Validation through deductive reasoning like our race always has done. Nothing mysterious.

Sand wrote:
...and if you do how does this make things better?

Its how our ethics are oriented, just a few pivotal assumptions keep us from either pushing eugenics full force or maybe even deciding as a race that its no longer worth living. It comes down to the reasons why we chose to do or not to do anything in our lives, just like why we decided somewhere along the lines that pushing old people down flights of stairs or adults raping babies wasn't ok; do you figure decisions like that just appear out of thin air and are appropriate? If you draw on harm to others, what specifically ordains that its a bad thing? I'm drawing on the rather obvious just to say that with the issues of the day that we actually do debate - they're blurry and just the slightest difference in a persons take on what fundamental reality is about can mean being fully on one side of the issue vs. the other. We already have enough problems with philosophical disagreements about the bigger picture and technology further frustrates this by raising the stakes and how much damage can be made by slighter and slighter missteps.

In the near future we'll likely be playing with things far more deadly that even nuclear bombs when you think about it and it means that we'll have to put the comfort of just passing the buck and agreeing to disagree aside to probe a lot deeper so that we can have ethics advanced enough to insure our survival as a race in the face of these kinds of dangers.

BTW I haven't talked to you much, don't know what your beliefs are on order and lack thereof in the universe. All the same I really hope your able to do better than a one-liner answer to this, otherwise I'm a sucker for even explaining it this far.



Sorry to be succinct but an external point of reference indicates some way of accessing external thinking. All the remedies you indicated are deeply interconnected with human thought that has long historical roots. I don't see any externality in them at all.



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02 Dec 2008, 6:09 am

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Where do you think we aspies and auties descended from?

the big bang



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02 Dec 2008, 6:34 am

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Where do you think we aspies and auties descended from?


My family and all my relatives are human. So I'm going to take chance and say I am descended from humans. But it's just a question of how far back, isn't it? I think that if you go back far enough, billions of years, maybe there are some primordial ooze-dwellers on my mother' side.



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02 Dec 2008, 7:38 am

Sand wrote:
Sorry to be succinct but an external point of reference indicates some way of accessing external thinking. All the remedies you indicated are deeply interconnected with human thought that has long historical roots. I don't see any externality in them at all.


Being there is such a thing as an objective truth though and that I don't believe its humanly impossible to put this ahead of emotion, I'm not particularly worried about perfect verification. Its not available.



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02 Dec 2008, 8:05 am

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See, the shape-shifting Reptilians from Alpha Draconis are involved in a plot against humanity, and everyone knows that the super-secret Illuminati have designs for world domination.


'Everyone' being David Icke and his zany chums, of course. (Seriously, I think some of his stuff, mainly in 'Infinite Love', is not far off what a lot of mystics have been saying for centuries...it's just with the whole lizard thing, he kind of, to paraphrase someone else in conspiracyland, pooped in the punchbowl.)

Me, I vote for Cthulhu. And one day, we shall ariiiiise.....


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02 Dec 2008, 11:49 am

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Spontaneous decay of an unnecessary trait would not be expected under non-Lamarckian theory, and Lamarckianism is rejected by every modern scientist that I know of. The principles of use/disuse and inheritance of acquired characteristics have not been borne out by empirical studies.

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What about the old tail bone? Nature is lazy and gets by with the least amount of effort so long as it works more than not.

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If it's not selected against and there is no bottleneck event, a trait will not disappear from the genome for no reason. A tail may have been an impediment to bipedalism.


The orangutan, gorilla and chimp have all lost their tails like us. The orangutan spends most of its life in trees and is the most bipedal of the other non human apes. The latest research indicates that bipedalism arose to enhance the ability for the animal to navigate through the trees.
Wouldn't it be most beneficial to have a tail as well as being bipedal? My guess is that nature is not perfect and selects for the least amount necessary to survive, not thrive. I think it would be cool if we all had large tails.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/a ... /5829/1328


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