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09 Dec 2008, 8:04 pm

Would Joe American care about universal health care if he wasn't an aging baby boomer whose body is falling apart left, right and centre?

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09 Dec 2008, 8:38 pm

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If the latter happened I'd emmigrate to canada, legally or NOT! :lol:

Are you qualified? Its harder than moving to the states.

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09 Dec 2008, 9:11 pm

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Would Joe American care about universal health care if he wasn't an aging baby boomer whose body is falling apart left, right and centre?

Yes.

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09 Dec 2008, 9:18 pm

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Obama didn't support the suspension of the gasoline tax, a proposal that Hillary and McCain supported (but which many economists dismissed as a populist stunt.

It would have been a populist stunt, and temporary. His non-support of it is one of the reasons I supported him.
My opinion is that peoples' perception of the race factor - esp. his preacher scandal - added a "radical" edge to Obama that he never purported to have. He seems to be a practical man, who is making solid decisions. Not the photonegative-image of George W. Bush that a lot of liberals wanted or expected...and that is a good thing, I believe.

There is a largely liberal governing body now, executive and legislative. First time it has happened in years (thank you W.) Change will come. Why shock an already delicate system?

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09 Dec 2008, 11:15 pm

patternist wrote:

Nutterbug wrote:

Would Joe American care about universal health care if he wasn't an aging baby boomer whose body is falling apart left, right and centre?

Yes.

I dunno. They've come this long without it. I can't see why attitudes would change so much recently if their own lives and health weren't riding on it.

If anything, I figured we'd be looking at a cutback towards health care funding in this time of economic restraint.

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10 Dec 2008, 2:02 am

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Eh, I'm an Atheist and I say Merry Christmas, I only hear Happy Holidays on TV or places like that. Some people though really like to b***h about everything, if someone wants to stick a tree with lights on it in their house in tribute to some cannibalistic man who got his ass stoned half to death then was nailed to a cross to sit out and rot I can care less honestly.

I am an atheist and say Happy Holidays because I'd rather be inclusive of those who aren't Christian. However, if someone tells me Merry Christmas, I forgive their ignorance and say it back with no scorn. Just the way I work, I suppose.

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10 Dec 2008, 10:44 pm

Nutterbug wrote:

patternist wrote:

Nutterbug wrote:

Would Joe American care about universal health care if he wasn't an aging baby boomer whose body is falling apart left, right and centre?

Yes.

That's not the question you raised though. I am healthy, I am not an aging baby-boomer, and yet I want universal health care, because right now too many people pay for insurance that doesn't pay for anything, and if you aren't healthy and/or have a full-time job with a major coporation or the government, you are in the same situation. So, like other "free-market" economic and domestic policies, our current healthcare system favors those with large pocketbooks at the expense (literally) of those who don't have large piles of capital just sitting around.

Universal healthcare has been proven as effective, if not more effective, in other nations, as the US healthcare system. And more efficient.

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11 Dec 2008, 6:41 pm

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I often wonder if partisan politics is about upholding your principles or playing a team sport.

Why do ideologies have to come in 'packages' anyways?

They're easier to buy in bulk.

Seriously though it's simpler to join a group and agree with them on everything than to think for yourself.

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11 Dec 2008, 11:10 pm

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Hmm, methinks that a certain political bloc is going to be very red faced once they realize that they fell for the same Karl Rove style bait and switch that the religious right has been suckered into for years. Who did they think he was going to put in his cabinet, Noam Chomsky and Dennis Kucinich? I'll hold off on any real gloating till after he actually takes office, I don't think I'm going to be wrong on this one, but I think that the far left has seriously overestimated their influence on their presidential pick.

The far left is just as radical as the far right. They don't seem as radical as the far right because most of the general public is left-of-center...

Seriously, the far left and far right have more in common with each other than with, well, reality. Rahm Emanuel is really the Democratic Party's own Karl Rove, for instance...

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11 Dec 2008, 11:44 pm

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Seriously, the far left and far right have more in common with each other than with, well, reality. Rahm Emanuel is really the Democratic Party's own Karl Rove, for instance...

True, you'd be surprised how many far-leftists seem to think that a communist revolution would be the rapture, where we all get transported to paradise.

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12 Dec 2008, 1:09 am

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I'd agree about the left being just as radical as the right, I'm not so sure about the majority being left though. I think they've done a much better job of portraying themselves as centrists, and their viewpoint IS more common among entertainment people, and I think this makes them appear more numerous than they actually are. Living on either coast tends to throw your perspective off as well, it wasn't until my brother moved to Tennessee for school that I was really made aware of how conservative the heartland is. I'd always been intellectually aware of it, but it took first hand reporting of what it was like there day to day to really bring it home for me.

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12 Dec 2008, 1:12 am

Politics suck!
Everyone in politics should DIE!
Everyone contemplating politics should have massive rectal blow-out for 2 weeks straight.

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12 Dec 2008, 11:38 am

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http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:y_news:1719c5815140ccfd14ab1fe7ccf6fbce

Ragtime, Im looking at YOU! :lol:

I saw that article. Shortly after the election, I read a few things about Obama's reactions and statements
which led me to believe that he really, really doesn't want to mess up the first black presidency -- that he's going to straighten up and be moderate because he wants to do really, really well, both in the public eye and in posterity. So, I'm not nearly as worried about him as I used to be.
He doesn't at all exhibit the signs of a man who wants to seize power in order to screw up everything to his own gain and/or evil delights.
He seemed to feel the heaviness of the mantle passed to him after Election Day. He's suddenly gotten very serious, and is not acting cocky anymore.

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