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and all this time I thought 'property is theft'...
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26 Dec 2008, 5:19 am
When ragtime goes to sleep tonight, I'm going to break into his house and raid his refrigerator. 
26 Dec 2008, 6:10 am
anna-banana wrote:
let me answer your question with a short summary of the tale Rashomon (in case you haven't read it):
I guess no further comment needed
Wikipedia wrote:
The man, a lowly servant recently fired, is contemplating whether to starve to death or to become a thief to survive in the barren times. When he goes upstairs - after noticing some firelight there, he encounters a woman, who is stealing hair from the dead bodies in the second floor. He is disgusted, and decides then that he would rather take the path of righteousness even if it meant starvation. He is furious with the woman.
But the old woman tells him that she steals hair to make wigs so she can survive. In addition, the woman whose body she is currently robbing cheated people in her life by selling snake meat and claiming it was fish. The old woman says that this was not wrong because it allowed the woman to survive -- and so in turn this entitles her to steal from the dead person, because if she doesn't, she too will starve. The man responds "You won't blame me, then, for taking your clothes. That's what I have to do to keep from starving to death." He then brutally robs the woman of her robe and disappears into the night.
But the old woman tells him that she steals hair to make wigs so she can survive. In addition, the woman whose body she is currently robbing cheated people in her life by selling snake meat and claiming it was fish. The old woman says that this was not wrong because it allowed the woman to survive -- and so in turn this entitles her to steal from the dead person, because if she doesn't, she too will starve. The man responds "You won't blame me, then, for taking your clothes. That's what I have to do to keep from starving to death." He then brutally robs the woman of her robe and disappears into the night.
I guess no further comment needed
i am sorry but i have not the wits to keep up with the mentage in this thread.
how can one steal from a dead person?
does the dead person wish for the maggots instead to benefit from what otherwise could be devoted to a humans survival? the dead person can surely not retain ownership of anything.
the dead persons family has taken all the valuables from the dead persons house, and then the undertaker gets some nourishment, and then when the casket is lowered, the bacterial world are the beneficiaries.
are bacteria theives? or are they opportunists?
what use do the dead ladies have for their hair?
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I think most people would steal from whomever if they knew they wouldn't get caught or punished for it. I don't think it's an issue of morality any more than an issue of religious conviction- I think it's an issue of entitlement.
do you include yourself in that?
that is not my way of being.
an example may be a little old lady who has her late husbands superannuation payout in cash sitting for all to see in a trolley as she waddles home with it.
would you take any of it, even though she seems to have alzheimers and would never report it?
i hope not.
what about a baby who has a wallet in it's pram that it's mother left while she is elsewhere.
would you take the wallet from the baby?
even from a bank who is insanely rich and would never notice the loss, i would not steal.
i think that to rely on ill begotten gains for the nuturance of your life is feeble and flimsey.
if you (generic) can not live with the genetics you have, then just lay down and succumb. it is a shady world where people bite into and suck up other peoples hard work and fortune.
parasites are biological "drains" in a sense.
26 Dec 2008, 6:52 am
26 Dec 2008, 7:23 am
b9 wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
let me answer your question with a short summary of the tale Rashomon (in case you haven't read it):
I guess no further comment needed
Wikipedia wrote:
The man, a lowly servant recently fired, is contemplating whether to starve to death or to become a thief to survive in the barren times. When he goes upstairs - after noticing some firelight there, he encounters a woman, who is stealing hair from the dead bodies in the second floor. He is disgusted, and decides then that he would rather take the path of righteousness even if it meant starvation. He is furious with the woman.
But the old woman tells him that she steals hair to make wigs so she can survive. In addition, the woman whose body she is currently robbing cheated people in her life by selling snake meat and claiming it was fish. The old woman says that this was not wrong because it allowed the woman to survive -- and so in turn this entitles her to steal from the dead person, because if she doesn't, she too will starve. The man responds "You won't blame me, then, for taking your clothes. That's what I have to do to keep from starving to death." He then brutally robs the woman of her robe and disappears into the night.
But the old woman tells him that she steals hair to make wigs so she can survive. In addition, the woman whose body she is currently robbing cheated people in her life by selling snake meat and claiming it was fish. The old woman says that this was not wrong because it allowed the woman to survive -- and so in turn this entitles her to steal from the dead person, because if she doesn't, she too will starve. The man responds "You won't blame me, then, for taking your clothes. That's what I have to do to keep from starving to death." He then brutally robs the woman of her robe and disappears into the night.
I guess no further comment needed
i am sorry but i have not the wits to keep up with the mentage in this thread.
how can one steal from a dead person?
does the dead person wish for the maggots instead to benefit from what otherwise could be devoted to a humans survival? the dead person can surely not retain ownership of anything.
the dead persons family has taken all the valuables from the dead persons house, and then the undertaker gets some nourishment, and then when the casket is lowered, the bacterial world are the beneficiaries.
are bacteria theives? or are they opportunists?
what use do the dead ladies have for their hair?
it's just a story to illustrate the point, which is- if everyone would steal from others there only would be chaos and, as someone said before, there would be no society.
so it's not a religious issue, it doesn't stem from spirituality or even morality, but from the fact that homo sapiens are social beings and stealing goes against social.
edited to add: I can agree with you when it comes to stealing from the dead, but that's not an issue here, it was only a part of the story which was a hyperbole anyway, and only to make a point.
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