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05 Jan 2009, 8:18 am

I thought Dean justified why he's envious of believers? I'm too lazy to make a massive quote-y reply, so this is the jist of what I understood. Faith for a lot of people is the guiding light of their lives in the dark times, their belief helps them through their troubles and that stuff. And Dean, as an athesit doesn't have this light (or at least, not one that has anything to do with his religious convictions),so he wishes he could believe because it would help.


I know, eloquent as ever. :roll:


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06 Jan 2009, 7:29 am

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I think ruveyn just wanted me to jump off a building.



Actually I wish you would admit you were writing nonsense. There is an Out There out there. Bishop Berkeley was addled by drinking his tar water.

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06 Jan 2009, 12:06 pm

I'm all for the good things religion does. It just so happens that none of those good things cannot be achieved without religion.

Never have I ever come up to a religious person and started demanding they renounce their beliefs or justify them to me. However, should the subject arise, I am always interested in discussing the issue.

Here's the thing: I assume people would prefer to believe something that's true. I also assume people would rather not believe something that's false. If those two things do not apply to you, then you need never discuss beliefs with me because I would have nothing to say to you about them.

However, if those two things do apply to you (of course, they apply to me) and we also happen to disagree on perhaps one of the most important questions, then the situation becomes as such that at least one of us is wrong. Because we would both prefer to believe things that are true, and not believe things that are false, ideally we would both collectively toss aside our biases and endeavor to find the most correct answer, regardless of what it is.

It was through this method with my best friend that we discovered the most likely solution was that the claim that gods exist was not made with any supporting evidence whatsoever. Later in life, through this same method I also discovered it was most likely true that gods do not exist at all.



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06 Jan 2009, 3:45 pm

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Never have I ever come up to a religious person and started demanding they renounce their beliefs or justify them to me. However, should the subject arise, I am always interested in discussing the issue.

And similarly, I never go up to nonreligious people and demand that they accept my beliefs or justify their own beliefs (or lack thereof) to me.


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06 Jan 2009, 4:53 pm

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And similarly, I never go up to nonreligious people and demand that they accept my beliefs or justify their own beliefs (or lack thereof) to me.


Unless its Linux, you zealot! ;)


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06 Jan 2009, 5:27 pm

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And similarly, I never go up to nonreligious people and demand that they accept my beliefs or justify their own beliefs (or lack thereof) to me.


Unless its Linux, you zealot! ;)

Ndiswrapper is the Way, the Truth, and the Light, and none get to the Internet but through it. :wink:


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06 Jan 2009, 7:01 pm

Orwell wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
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And similarly, I never go up to nonreligious people and demand that they accept my beliefs or justify their own beliefs (or lack thereof) to me.


Unless its Linux, you zealot! ;)

Ndiswrapper is the Way, the Truth, and the Light, and none get to the Internet but through it. :wink:

It's also not the only method for achieving wireless internet through Linux and does not support every wireless chipset, although it supported my desktop's wireless when I used to use Ubuntu back in the day. Didn't support my laptop's unfortunately.



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07 Jan 2009, 3:36 am

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It's also not the only method for achieving wireless internet through Linux and does not support every wireless chipset, although it supported my desktop's wireless when I used to use Ubuntu back in the day. Didn't support my laptop's unfortunately.

I know that, I just couldn't think of a good example off the top of my head of something that can only be done one way in Linux. Perhaps an allusion to the Church of Emacs would have been better, although I don't use emacs.


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07 Jan 2009, 7:51 am

Domo arigato, Dean-san, that's very nicely written :)


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11 Jan 2009, 3:03 am

unless he's a vi-lovin' backslider...;)



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11 Jan 2009, 4:17 am

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unless he's a vi-lovin' backslider...;)

There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels.


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11 Jan 2009, 7:36 am

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pakled wrote:
unless he's a vi-lovin' backslider...;)

There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels.

Has Minitrue approved this statement?


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11 Jan 2009, 1:25 pm

spockezri wrote:
Orwell wrote:
pakled wrote:
unless he's a vi-lovin' backslider...;)

There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels.

Has Minitrue approved this statement?

Of course they have, because it contains the essence of truthiness in it.


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