My views of America
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gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
A lot of governments suck, not just American. But having said that, George Bush is out of office now, so hopefully American policies will improve significantly.
Hey, we're closing down Guantanamo and authorizing stem cell research. That's already two major improvements in US policy.
I do not look upon that particular executive order and an advancement in any way.
And unlike some others in here, overall I give GWB a B as president (has there been a successful terrorist attack on USA soil since 2001-09-11?) and I do believe that future historians will be very kind to him. MY biggest beef with him surrounds his handling of domestic issues over the past year.
Mike
Mike, the embryonic stem-cells are much more promising from a scientific standpoint. Adult stem cells are highly limited in what they can do. It is not in any way "obsolete." You can argue with the scientists on that one, I won't bother with it beyond this post.
Your analysis of the Bush administration is badly flawed, and no, I highly doubt historians will look kindly on him. The historical perception of him will likely be pretty low, given that he's been a colossal failure in everything he's ever done. Even my high school government teacher, a rabid Republican and an ardent Bush supporter, curses him for the one policy of his that directly impacted her life (No Child Left Behind).
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Roxas_XIII wrote:
Now don't get me wrong, I am an American and I take pride in being so. I'm not condoning terrorism or nuclear war in this statement. Personally if I had my way terrorists wouldn't exist, and neither would nukes. But I'm thinking about all the problems America is facing today as far as it's relationship with the rest of the world. And I can see many instances in which the fault for these problems can be traced to one country. It's not Iraq. It's not Russia. It's not China, or North Korea, or Iran, or Israel, or Palestine, or any country in the Middle East, the Communist bloc, or the former Soviet Union. Have you guessed the guilty one yet? That's right, its the land of the free, the home of the brave, the good old US of A. America may think that the problems are caused by those who wish to destroy America and the foundation it was built on. Well, why would anyone want to destroy a country as good as the US? The answer: Venegance. They want retribution for the times we have wronged them. A lot of decisions that we have made have come back to haunt us. Take WWII, for example. If it weren't for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we would never have had to worry about Russia in the Cold War, or Iran and the possibility of terrorists obtaining a nuke. Why? Because nukes wouldn't exist. It's like the kid walking down the street, showing off his new toy, and then everyone else wants one for themself. Even if we had decided to create the atomic bomb anyways, we still could have avoided the threat of nuclear war by deciding to keep it a secret. We would have still had the technology, but if we didn't nuke Japan no one else would have found out about it until much later. And another thing: why do these terrorists hate America? I don't believe they woke up one morning and decided, "Lets start a jihad with America!" just like that. There had to have been something, some injustice on America's part that spawned their hatred. Well, just look at George Bush Sr., meddling with affairs in the Middle East. And his son wasn't helping matters at all by starting a war, by turning a blind eye to the chaos that resulted from it. I mean it's true Saddam Hussein had to go, but wouldn't it had been so much easier after he metaphorically flipped us the bird to just send in Army Spec Ops to capture him quickly and silently, to make him disappear? But no, we had to do a full scale invasion, in which countless Iraqis lost their lives, just because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm not saying I agree with the terrorists actions. I would die before I said that. But after imagining what it would be like if some foreign country came around and stomped all over my home and land, I can see why they would hate us.
Anyways, just thought I'd vent and share my thoughts.
Roxas_XIII
Anyways, just thought I'd vent and share my thoughts.
Roxas_XIII
Oh Jesus Q F**ing Christ on a Crutch! Yet another Blame it All on America screed!
Wake up, son. We have enemies that we did not make. American has bled so that other people could be free. We have fed the hungry, housed the homeless, killed the lice (DDT was invented her), defended the oppressed and fought the Fascists. If others hate us, so be it. We have to defend ourselves as best we can. We have not always behaved wisely in that regard, I am afraid but we did not created the Evil of Radical and Extreme Jihadi Islam. That has existed since the Crusades which Christians did over a thousand years ago.
No good deeds shall go unpunished. Ever.
ruveyn
ruveyn wrote:
Roxas_XIII wrote:
Now don't get me wrong, I am an American and I take pride in being so. I'm not condoning terrorism or nuclear war in this statement. Personally if I had my way terrorists wouldn't exist, and neither would nukes. But I'm thinking about all the problems America is facing today as far as it's relationship with the rest of the world. And I can see many instances in which the fault for these problems can be traced to one country. It's not Iraq. It's not Russia. It's not China, or North Korea, or Iran, or Israel, or Palestine, or any country in the Middle East, the Communist bloc, or the former Soviet Union. Have you guessed the guilty one yet? That's right, its the land of the free, the home of the brave, the good old US of A. America may think that the problems are caused by those who wish to destroy America and the foundation it was built on. Well, why would anyone want to destroy a country as good as the US? The answer: Venegance. They want retribution for the times we have wronged them. A lot of decisions that we have made have come back to haunt us. Take WWII, for example. If it weren't for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we would never have had to worry about Russia in the Cold War, or Iran and the possibility of terrorists obtaining a nuke. Why? Because nukes wouldn't exist. It's like the kid walking down the street, showing off his new toy, and then everyone else wants one for themself. Even if we had decided to create the atomic bomb anyways, we still could have avoided the threat of nuclear war by deciding to keep it a secret. We would have still had the technology, but if we didn't nuke Japan no one else would have found out about it until much later. And another thing: why do these terrorists hate America? I don't believe they woke up one morning and decided, "Lets start a jihad with America!" just like that. There had to have been something, some injustice on America's part that spawned their hatred. Well, just look at George Bush Sr., meddling with affairs in the Middle East. And his son wasn't helping matters at all by starting a war, by turning a blind eye to the chaos that resulted from it. I mean it's true Saddam Hussein had to go, but wouldn't it had been so much easier after he metaphorically flipped us the bird to just send in Army Spec Ops to capture him quickly and silently, to make him disappear? But no, we had to do a full scale invasion, in which countless Iraqis lost their lives, just because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm not saying I agree with the terrorists actions. I would die before I said that. But after imagining what it would be like if some foreign country came around and stomped all over my home and land, I can see why they would hate us.
Anyways, just thought I'd vent and share my thoughts.
Roxas_XIII
Anyways, just thought I'd vent and share my thoughts.
Roxas_XIII
Oh Jesus Q F**ing Christ on a Crutch! Yet another Blame it All on America screed!
Wake up, son. We have enemies that we did not make. American has bled so that other people could be free. We have fed the hungry, housed the homeless, killed the lice (DDT was invented her), defended the oppressed and fought the Fascists. If others hate us, so be it. We have to defend ourselves as best we can. We have not always behaved wisely in that regard, I am afraid but we did not created the Evil of Radical and Extreme Jihadi Islam. That has existed since the Crusades which Christians did over a thousand years ago.
No good deeds shall go unpunished. Ever.
ruveyn
Fine. I'm wrong. This entire post was just an extension of my bad mood, and had no basis in fact. But that doesn't give you the right to be that rude, and it certainly doesn't give you the right to spout blashphemy.
You know what, forget it. Admin please delete this thread. I never want to see it again.
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America is very easy to hate. The US is the greatest economic, military, political, technological, and cultural power on earth. Of course what we do affects the the world more than what other countries do. The world isnt held together by a universal morality. It is held together by national interest. And the US is the best at pushing its national interest.
Your post is incredibly naive'. Nuclear weapons would have certainly been invented without the US. The West has been meddling in world affairs for a long time. The US is just the latest in a long line. You have no historical context.
blackelk wrote:
America is very easy to hate. The US is the greatest economic, military, political, technological, and cultural power on earth. Of course what we do affects the the world more than what other countries do. The world isnt held together by a universal morality. It is held together by national interest. And the US is the best at pushing its national interest.
I'm sorry, I'm just trying to figure out, culture? What culture?
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twoshots wrote:
blackelk wrote:
America is very easy to hate. The US is the greatest economic, military, political, technological, and cultural power on earth. Of course what we do affects the the world more than what other countries do. The world isnt held together by a universal morality. It is held together by national interest. And the US is the best at pushing its national interest.
I'm sorry, I'm just trying to figure out, culture? What culture?
The US is the largest cultural exporter in the world. Our music, movies, clothing. Everything from rock and roll to blue jeans. The US is the cultural leader in the world by far and has been for some time. We can sell the world anything.
blackelk wrote:
twoshots wrote:
blackelk wrote:
America is very easy to hate. The US is the greatest economic, military, political, technological, and cultural power on earth. Of course what we do affects the the world more than what other countries do. The world isnt held together by a universal morality. It is held together by national interest. And the US is the best at pushing its national interest.
I'm sorry, I'm just trying to figure out, culture? What culture?
The US is the largest cultural exporter in the world. Our music, movies, clothing. Everything from rock and roll to blue jeans. The US is the cultural leader in the world by far and has been for some time. We can sell the world anything.
Sorry, a little joke.
A very little joke.
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Roxas_XIII wrote:
ascan wrote:
Roxas_XIII wrote:
...Even if we had decided to create the atomic bomb anyways, we still could have avoided the threat of nuclear war by deciding to keep it a secret. We would have still had the technology, but if we didn't nuke Japan no one else would have found out about it until much later...
The Russians knew you had it before you used it, and the Germans were already on their way to developing it themselves.
In fact your lack of knowledge regarding that situation demonstrates a very good reason why your country is so disliked.
If you're going to stereotype me as an ignorant American and flame me for that, I'm going to steretype you as an egotistical mulehead from whatever country you call home and flame you back. That was totally uncalled for, and nothing short of a sincere apology is going to raise your status from my viewpoint. Have a nice day...
I was simply responding to the thread you started with a relevant point, so have no reason to apologise. Anyway, to clarify the situation, as you're young you can be excused for not knowing certain things. So, I don't believe you are ignorant in the pejorative sense.
ruveyn wrote:
Eggman wrote:
WHich America? North, SOuth, Latin
United Stateseans tend to think they are the only Americans.
ruveyn
United Stateseans find that term quite clunky, and it is common vernacular in American English to refer to United Statesers as Americans without necessarily making any meaningful statements about anything. This is just terminology.
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ruveyn wrote:
Eggman wrote:
WHich America? North, SOuth, Latin
United Stateseans tend to think they are the only Americans.
well, yes and no
Because of the term United States of America, it suits to be called americans, on the other hand, it would be reasonable to argue that the term americans should refer to the whole continent rather than just one nation, just as europeans, asians, africans.
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