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01 Dec 2007, 5:31 pm

Christmas (Dec 25) is a Roman Pagan holiday celebrating winter solstice. the Byzantine Emperor Constatine decided to celebrate jesus's birth on that day.


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01 Dec 2007, 5:58 pm

Christmas isn't good as it was.

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-Too much commercialism

-Advertise things for Christmas at August

-Prices for products, like Doctor Who stuff, is more than 2 pounds (broken keyboard), usually a toy costs a pound. Thats a RIPOFF

This has gone Scrooged.

I think they slow down, to the level, to any religion can celebrate (I'm Agnostic)


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01 Dec 2007, 5:59 pm

At my School, were learning about Scrooge, next coursework is doing a modern day version the story


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01 Dec 2007, 6:19 pm

'Tis the season to be BAH-HUM-BUGGISH! It has grown too commercialistic. I wish i was a kid though, it was way better back then! I remember one Christmas i got an electronic teaching toy and i knew more than my father on it. Ha ha, those were the days...



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01 Dec 2007, 8:55 pm

everything about Christmas is a rip off
the lights
the tree
even a God being born on the day
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even leaving Santa things...
everything!



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01 Dec 2007, 9:12 pm

I loved christmas as a kid.


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02 Dec 2007, 4:50 am

greenblue wrote:
I loved christmas as a kid.


So did I


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02 Dec 2007, 1:26 pm

I love Christmas. I love how it started with the birth of the savior: Jesus Christ. I also like the colors, the warmth, the feeling of coming together as a family, and the joy of giving.


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02 Dec 2007, 2:29 pm

the magic of xmas for me is the solstice, the fact the nights start getting shorter again, the turning of the year, and the shining decorations which light up gloomy winter rooms.
i just ignore the rest.
( except for getting something for son, even tho he has never believed in father xmas nor in the christ bit. He thinks xmas is for celebrating getting presents!! ! :lol: )

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02 Dec 2007, 3:27 pm

Yoshie777 wrote:
I love Christmas. I love how it started with the birth of the savior: Jesus Christ. I also like the colors, the warmth, the feeling of coming together as a family, and the joy of giving.


Why don't christians celebrate christmas in the spring, when he was likely born?


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02 Dec 2007, 5:14 pm

Yoshie777 wrote:
I love Christmas. I love how it started with the birth of the savior: Jesus Christ. I also like the colors, the warmth, the feeling of coming together as a family, and the joy of giving.

BOO!! !! !! !!



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02 Dec 2007, 5:25 pm

I don't have a problem with the religious aspect (I'm an atheist), but I hate the ultra-commercial, over-the-top consumeristic aspect of Christmas. I get along very well with my parents and we avoid the whole social, family-get-together thing (some of my relatives are truly awful). If I had the money, I would spend Christmas in Istanbul or Tel Aviv.


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02 Dec 2007, 5:33 pm

jfrmeister wrote:
Why don't christians celebrate christmas in the spring, when he was likely born?

There are few christians that don't celebrate christmas or at least don't make it a big deal because of it, but I think most celebrate it anyway, mostly because of the holiday custom or tradition rather than just a religious thing.

I think that most of protestant denominations already acknowledge that Jesus wasn't exactly born on Dec 25.


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02 Dec 2007, 6:42 pm

pbcoll wrote:
I don't have a problem with the religious aspect (I'm an atheist), but I hate the ultra-commercial, over-the-top consumeristic aspect of Christmas. I get along very well with my parents and we avoid the whole social, family-get-together thing (some of my relatives are truly awful). If I had the money, I would spend Christmas in Istanbul or Tel Aviv.


I'd celebrate Yule how my pagan ansestors did :)



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02 Dec 2007, 7:34 pm

I agree with this topic.

But it's possible to celebrate Christmas without being greedy and materialistic without being a humbug too.

I kinda liked Christmas as a kid, partly because my parents and aunts and uncles worked to offset the whole greed/gimmegimme aspect of Christmas.

They basically coordinated things so that my cousins and I all got more or less the same amount of presents. And instead of a mad dash to the tree, throwing wrapping paper around and all that, we took turns opening presents. Aside from one cousin (who doesn't have Aspergers but does have just about everything else) who wailed about it every time, we all liked it better that way. Christmases rarely ended in people being upset (aside from that one cousin), whereas before they started the taking turns thing, Christmas usually ended in one of the kids having a tantrum.

Now that I'm too old for wrapped presents and that kinda stuff, I make sure to get my parents something they'll like and have a use for. I'd rather get a gift that has thought behind it rather than a bunch of useless junk, and most people are like that - it's only the "keep up with the Joneses" crowd that capitalism the hell out of Christmas and ruin it.



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03 Dec 2007, 12:13 am

Yeah, I agree.
On the side, Christmas is wicked depressing for lots of people. Either Christmas shopping or facing up to that you are spending Christmas time alone. I heard somewhere suicide rates peak at Christmas.