Do you believe in the New World Order?

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Seems exactly like the old world disorder

WARRENPEACE How dare you claim humans have brains, that goes against all evidence!

There, Happy now?

The facts are quite clear, all of the wars, panics, were caused by humans being humans, saying, It will all work out, and I still can not figure out the cause of World War I.

Denying collective ignorance, leads to, the crash was caused by The Easter Bunny because Santa needed more toy money because the elves were demanding to be paid, a sound Religious reason.

The idea that someone knows what is going on is a myth.

People hardly work for money, ruling the world in secret for free is doubful.

The current situation is caused by greed overcoming self presevation, with a government response of self preservation having no moral or ethical limits.

It will all work out.

Yes, I believe in the NWO.

"The idea that someone knows what is going on is a myth. "
This has never been more true than today but the 'people' voted for it so we deserve what we asked for.

i have been listening to his show for a long time and he has repeatly said that the nwo is not any one ethnic group

I wouldn't really call it a "new world order", as the order and control has always been here since the beginning, just the players, owners and peons change as time does.

Do I believe that some people desire, and plan for NWO? Yes I do, and think that certain dynasties may be colluding to set such a thing up. This possibility terrifies me.

In all seriousness I would think that something like Al Gore actually making money from his global warming carbon credit scam is worth worrying about.

Yes I do, but for most people it is almost impossible to wrap one's mind around it. Not many here I doubt would plan to do everything possible to rule at the cost of the whole planet with the exception of their own bloodline. Quite frankly I believe this administration will finish what the Bushes begain. Martial law. By the mercy of God I hope I'm wrong....

I believe in No World Order

"I've seen a lot of things in this galaxy, but the idea of some far-reaching overall powr..."

they couldn't hide the Bay of Pigs, Watergate, the Iran-Contra scandal, the Weapons of mass destruction...if 100 senators can't agree on what they want on their pizza...how could real people create a real conspiracy that works?...

said it before, say it again - never ascribe to conspiracy that which can be explained by stupidity...

The key words in your post were 'real people'.

There are 3 possibilities!

1. The theory that ONLY seems to be supported by those that are bribed, etc.... That humanity is INCREDIBLY stupid and, coincidently, wants to do what people even THOUSANDS of YEARS AGO said was MORONIC! Thousands of years ago they actually dreamt of stuff that only today is becomming practical!

2. The theory that ONLY seems to be supported by christian, and some catholic, zealots, that one of those sources that predicted it(The new testament) is the word of god and MUST come to pass.

3. That some group has gotten together and planned this all out, for the express purpose of ruling the world, and controlling people like slaves.

That's IT! Take your pick? Occam's razor would say that #3 is the best choice! EVEN supporters of #2 have to explain WHY people would do it! EVEN supporters of #1 have to explain WHY this is being done. Almost all of nearly every country is told that such things are bad. Europe and America(ALL COUNTRIES), and other areas seem to be sliding down this slope. HECK, the US was FOUNDED on principles that make this IMPOSSIBLE! Too bad, that those laws were THROWN OUT! The constitution is NOT a constitution anymore, but merely a historic document with some pretty letters. Is there really even ONE item that is honored?

The way I see it, the only question is WHO is the group. Some CLAIM it is the masons. Frankly, I doubt that. A number of steps went against mason principles. ALSO, those theorists claim the knights of templar is a secret hidden society believed to be associated with the masons. The TRUTH is that they are NOT hidden, and the masons freely acknowledge the connection. As for the other theories? WHO KNOWS?

It's utter BS.

It is also used as a tale to scare children so that they can go safe to their "safe" nationalism.

Nationalism is just about the most stupid sentiment anyone can have. Yes, being patriotic is BS in my opinion, I am not a freaking country I am a person, for god's sake.

I however liked the original Illuminati (you know, the ones who weren't invented boogiemen but where actually just another secret club, like the masonry which tried to destroy the Illuminati) The founder said that "The only tradition we should teach to our children is not to follow any tradition" I am sorry, but I agree with him 100%.

Also, the original Illuminati were exterminated and demonized, know by who? Well, the masonry and... the Catholic church.

One of the reasons for the current depression is basically anti-nationalism TO THE EXTREME! Nationalism is a GOOD thing if not taken to the extreme of the NAZIs. The US constitution calls for a nationalist government. It USED to be nationalist. Duties on imports and exports, REASONABLE restrictions on immigration, citizen rights that trumped others. That was nationalism the way it SHOULD be. TODAY, we have NO duties on a lot of stuff, so they increase taxes saying "where else can we get the money" Maybe they should read the U.S. constitution some time! That ALSO puts local industry to a disadvantage. ALSO, we are having CONTRABAND delivered to the U.S. that has to be controlled better, but is paid by the TAXPAYER! The DELIVERERS should pay for such things. They have NO real restrictions on immigration, so there are FAR fewer jobs, and they are filled by less productive people. And citizens don't seem to have any special rights. If I had enough money, and didn't need a passport, I would probably tell the U.S. to get out of my life. GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH! After all, other than STEALING my money, PURSECUTING me, sometimes through capricious and ex-post facto laws, and giving me stuff that EVERYONE gets(except for some things some non americans get), WHAT do they really give me?

So HOW is nationalism bad? Do you live in china, or some other place that is benefiting from such anti-nationalist garbage?

And I thought it had something to do with people spending more than they could after being encouraged by a credit card system that was broken from the beginning.


And I thought it was because the patriotic people charge too much.


Maybe a constitution says they have such rights. But are they supposed to? OMG I was born here, give me money!... We could do better than that.


You sound like an anti-nationalist, boy.



Nationalism = bad, just like every other ism, over protectionism will just bring a country to disaster, nevertheless culture is meant to be shared, trying to protect a culture from the outside is counterproductive for the evolution of mankind. Trying to avoid globalization instead of getting used to it, is just being plain retrograde, and will not succeed in stopping it, it will just make globalization more harmful. Frontiers have been drawn to limit ourselves and limit the sharing of knowledge and culture, keeping us in shells and preventing the progress of mankind. And afterall, nationalism has caused all wars, yes, even those attributed to religion, it was nationalism in disguise.

If you feel that being a citizen gives you no advantages, then just stop being one, if you are sure that illegals that don't pay taxers have their lives easier, just stop paying taxes, get some fake id and send the gov. to hell. That's right, if you are convinced illegals got it easy, become one. It shouldn't be too hard, just travel to some city near Mexico where nobody knows you, and get a fake accent and use the methods the illegals use.

Well, it is interesting the economic crisis is now another thing being used to promote nationalism.


Edit: Speaking of being retrograde, I am shocked that even this site got global warming debunkers, oh boy... Is it so hard to believe that changing a planet's ATMOSPHERE has impact on its weather?

Actually, there WAS lowered income because of the AN, lowered communication because of the AN, and a number of other things. It DID have SOMETHING to do with the creation and collapse of bad credit on MORTGAGES! The credit card system was really hit LATER, and still hasn't even really been named as a culprit.



NOPE! ACTUALLY, the IMMIGRANTS charge FAR more based on their former lifestyles, etc... Besides, the quality of work I have seen has gone DOWN, and so has communication! Still, if the immigration laws were as they used to be, immigration would be as well.



If you can do a better job, and communicate better, and are subject to the laws, why SHOULDN'T you get paid more?



I want to live in the U.S.! The one mentioned in the songs! The one people were HAPPY to die/work for! The one that kept people secure PRIVATELY. The one run by the constitution! That country is basically DEAD!




I didn't mention protectionism, or even anything against globalism. Just the crazy deal about having the citizens pay taxes to replace taxes that BY LAW, the importers and exporters are to pay, and having foreign nationals come in to work, etc...

As for your idea about "using the methods the illegals use", I CAN'T! HOW could I become a citizen of mexico afforded the assistance THEY get? I don't think canada does that anymore either. I think I lost my chance with ireland, probably don't have one with germany, and certainly don't with switzerland or denmark. Of course, most western european countries are on a par with the US, so that isn't the same. Canada ALSO is! You see, the illegals are always legal SOMEWHERE. They ALSO have a lot of people fighting for them, like MALDEF for the mexicans. THAT is why I said IF I had enough money, and didn't need a passport, etc...

As for my "being sure". HECK, I am working on a project now that is complicated because we CAN'T TRUST THE SSN! *****WHY***** because some people don't have it, and some present FALSE SSNs(This is OBVIOUS because some FAMILIES use ONE SSN and some others use the SAME SSN)! THEY STILL GET TREATMENT! The U.S. taxpayer has to pay. That is potentially like $20,000 a week PER ILLEGAL! Paid for by the tax payer! You KNOW they aren't paying taxes, because US law says you have to have a tax id to pay taxes! THAT is how they track you! If they paid taxes, they would have an SSN!

Doesn't that make you feel GREAT!?!?!? The U.S. citizen must pay for insurance, yet THEY get it FREE! If I try that, I get caught, persecuted, etc.... I might get a fine, thrown in jail, etc.... If THEY try it, and get caught, maldef can bail them out and fight it and/or they can cross the border. I hate michael moore but, in his movie SICKO, he DID make a good point about how the terrorists and prisoners get better healthcare than americans. He simply left out the fact that the illegals do ALSO.

BTW maldef has a website. I'll even point you to a page documenting some points I made here!

http://www.maldef.org/immigration/index.htm



Those are THEIR own words!