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11 Feb 2009, 6:19 pm

If there was a nuclear war now and most of the human population was eliminated and let's say that most of the buildings and such that were built by us were also destroyed from natural disasters, what would become of the rest of the human lot? We have an advanced civilization but it could be lost too.

Not everything that is now believed to be true was once proven to be so. It took some people with imaginations that thought something was possible that drove civilization forward. In other words, imaginative people can serve a useful role in human culture.


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11 Feb 2009, 6:36 pm

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Now that Mars is also available through google earth, the full extent of the Nasa coverup is plain as day (though obvious people are still reluctant to admit what's right before their eyes because they've been conditioned by the NWO not to see what they haven't been told to see). Consider the following image:
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What I have affectionately dubbed "The Olympus Mons Runway".

Something of such great regularity is certainly artificial in nature. It's exact function cannot be readily deduced from the image, but based on it's length and position relative to Olympus Mons (being near normal to the circle of the Olympus Mons dome), it can be surmised that the jumbled rocks in the background are the result of a cave in which obscures a passage into the mountain and underground, and this passage was probably cut for the transportation of massive amounts of cargo between the above/below Martian worlds.

Wake up sheeple to the NWO!


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atlantis is the moon

Here is the truth about aliens on the moon that that the Nasa, the government and NWO have been hiding for years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5NPhWn-tAA


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11 Feb 2009, 7:42 pm

^Oh I assure you, that's just the beginning. Behold the other face on mars:
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Although I also note that the runway in exhibit A is nearly 5 miles wide. The mind reels at the thought of what Martian technical might must be like.

Incidentally, Google Mars is just pure unmitigated awesome.

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^Sometimes I do wonder how much archeological evidence scientists and archeologists have found that would've or could prove half the myths that've been so blown out of proportions in stories.

Oh well, a little wishful thinking never hurts.....

Well, Atlantis wouldn't be the first myth confirmed. Prior to the discovery of Troy, it was seriously considered that the Homeric epics were total fantasies.


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12 Feb 2009, 7:09 am

Would anyone like to comment on the second site? Certainly does not look like imaging artifacts. Though it could be google "graffiti" I suppose.


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12 Feb 2009, 10:42 am

Just a mishmash of high and low quality images/terrain.


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12 Feb 2009, 12:46 pm

twoshots wrote:
Now that Mars is also available through google earth, the full extent of the Nasa coverup is plain as day (though obvious people are still reluctant to admit what's right before their eyes because they've been conditioned by the NWO not to see what they haven't been told to see). Consider the following image:

What I have affectionately dubbed "The Olympus Mons Runway".

Something of such great regularity is certainly artificial in nature. It's exact function cannot be readily deduced from the image, but based on it's length and position relative to Olympus Mons (being near normal to the circle of the Olympus Mons dome), it can be surmised that the jumbled rocks in the background are the result of a cave in which obscures a passage into the mountain and underground, and this passage was probably cut for the transportation of massive amounts of cargo between the above/below Martian worlds.


Artificial? Yes, it could quite possibly be another artifact of the imaging process. If you look at the talus slopes leaning against the hills in the background, you can see that they were created from sparsely sampled data by some sort of higher order polynomial equation. This can readily introduce very strange landforms that have no correlates in the natural world.

I really think that if there was readily available evidence of life on Mars, thousands of scientists would be shouting about it. Evolutionists, in particular, would see it as a vindication of their world view.

Certainly, somewhere there are cities that have sunk under the oceans in earthquakes. The idea of Atlantis is not so strange, although I am still waiting for proof.



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12 Feb 2009, 7:32 pm

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You're raining on my parade, monty. Of course I know it's not real. If you went to that region on mars yourself you'd find the fact that that the elevated area was clearly generated from completely different data, complete with a higher image resolution, which I have deviously obscured by putting the sun in a position to cast shadows where the two images would interface. The slopes in tha back ground I should note were sampled at a higher quality than they appear because they are far enough away that a lower terrain quality is used on google earth, and for some reason the shading doesn' take into account the any polygon normals outside of the rectangular patches.

And for the record, those "hills" are nearly 27,000 feet tall ;)


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13 Feb 2009, 2:00 am

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I believe Atlantis existed.


We have only one source regarding Atlantis: A dialogue of Plato, written about 360 BC, so at the end "classic period" of Greek civilisation. No earlier source exists; there is nothing else in the other Greek myths or stories about such an island. It is very likely, also by the content of this dialogue that Plato used an imaginary and distant island of a mythic past to develop his political ideas.



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13 Feb 2009, 2:47 am

Magnus wrote:
If there was a nuclear war now and most of the human population was eliminated and let's say that most of the buildings and such that were built by us were also destroyed from natural disasters, what would become of the rest of the human lot? We have an advanced civilization but it could be lost too.


But: We still can see with aerial image where a bronze age village dump place was or where the Romans build a fortress, even all the wood had been rotten a long time ago. Any change in the ground leaves makes and traces; our modern one certainly too.

Here a Villa Rustica near Bern, Switzerland:

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20 Feb 2009, 12:16 pm

Fnord wrote:
Magnus wrote:
I believe Atlantis existed.

You believe in a lot of things that can't be proven.


Live with it.



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20 Feb 2009, 1:23 pm

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But: We still can see with aerial image where a bronze age village dump place was or where the Romans build a fortress, even all the wood had been rotten a long time ago. Any change in the ground leaves makes and traces; our modern one certainly too.


Atlantis is believed to be under the Atlantic Ocean.
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I believe Atlantis existed.
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You believe in a lot of things that can't be proven.


If all you believe is what is considered to be already proven, then how will any new discoveries be made? Speculation is the second step toward any new discovery. Imagination is the first.


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20 Feb 2009, 1:26 pm

Who knows what's under the Atlantic Ocean.

Crashed UFOs from the 1600s could be down there.



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20 Feb 2009, 2:16 pm

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Who knows what's under the Atlantic Ocean.

Crashed UFOs from the 1600s could be down there.


The underwater topography of the Atlantic has been carefully mapped by sonar to provide information pertaining to the navigation of submarines. To answer your question: the U.S. Navy knows.

The use of sonar and deep diving submersible exploration vehicles is how Ballard found the Titanic, 2.5 miles down.

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20 Feb 2009, 2:18 pm

Magnus wrote:
If all you believe is what is considered to be already proven, then how will any new discoveries be made? Speculation is the second step toward any new discovery. Imagination is the first.


There is besides some remarks of Plato at the end of the classic period of Greek culture nothing which indicates anything in this direction, even not a mythos.



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20 Feb 2009, 2:21 pm

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If all you believe is what is considered to be already proven, then how will any new discoveries be made? Speculation is the second step toward any new discovery. Imagination is the first.

Via The Scientific Method
    1. Develop a new hypothesis. A hypothesis is merely an idea that is usually based on passive observations of natural events. An idea does not have to be supported, but if it is not, then it remains only an idea.

    2. Search for related data, which may be found in the results of previous research, whether or not the results of the previous research actually support the previous research.

    3. If existing data does not support the hypothesis, then return to step 1.

    4. Create a supporting theory. A theory attempts to explain the hypothesis in a cause-and-effect manner. Never propose a theory that is not supported by available evidence.

    5. Perform experiments to test the theory. Experiments must be appropriate to the proposed theory, and must be both repeatable and verifiable.

    6. If the experimental results do not support the theory, then return to step 4.

    7. Record findings and submit to peer-review process. A peer group is composed of professional researchers in the field of study that the theory addresses. The peer group will first examine the initial data for factual errors, then the theory for errors of reasoning, and then perform the same experiments under the same conditions to validate or invalidate the theory.

    8. If the peer-review process produces conflicting evidence, then return to step 4.

    9. At this point, the theory becomes a scientific principle.

    10. Publish the results.
... and not via The Fantasy Method
    1. Form an opinion. This opinion does not have to be founded on anything other than dreams, fantasies, fears, hallucinations, ignorance, imagination, legends, myths, prejudices, speculation, superstitions, suspicions, or wishful thinking.

    2. Search for supporting data. If any data conflicts with the original opinion then discredit, distort, or ignore the conflicting data. If the conflicting facts or opinions can not be adequately discredited, then the person(s) presenting the conflicting facts or opinions (the “critic” or “skeptic”) must be discredited.

    3. Publish the opinion.

    4. If any critic or skeptic comes forward with facts or opinions that conflict with the original opinion then discredit, distort, or ignore the conflicting facts, while simultaneously discrediting the person(s) presenting the conflicting facts or opinions.

    5. Expand the original opinion into unrelated fields of interest.

    6. Repeat from Step 2.
This is why the easiest way to determine when the Scientific Method has not been used is to criticize the claim and/or demand evidence and wait for the claimant to respond with hyperbole and/or ridicule.



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20 Feb 2009, 2:23 pm

Dussel wrote:
Magnus wrote:
If all you believe is what is considered to be already proven, then how will any new discoveries be made? Speculation is the second step toward any new discovery. Imagination is the first.


There is besides some remarks of Plato at the end of the classic period of Greek culture nothing which indicates anything in this direction, even not a mythos.


If all you can do is regurgitate Plato in response to statements like these, you're not as bright as I thought.