Is Jesus merely a temptation to people who are lonely?

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25 Apr 2009, 4:50 pm

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Love and lust: what's the difference?

I love my mother. I loved my pet bunny rabbit, until it died.

I lust after playboy centerfolds, who I have never met and never will meet.

See the difference?


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25 Apr 2009, 4:57 pm

Jesus is a friend to everyone and he died for all of you in a horrific way. God sent him down for our sake.

People make fake Gods like a buddha statue, baal, or random goddesses because they want to control God and take there own way in life. Which of course is the wrong way.

Ever hear the song Jesus Take The Wheel by Carrie Underwood? Jesus is the one that will drive you to go in the right directions in life.

When we do as God wants us to do then things work out and while there are problems and trouble (I'm having troubles myself) along the way ultimately it leads in the right direction.

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Try trusting him and read the Bible for a little while and try to apply principles to your life by reading John (This is the best place to start). Try living as a Christian and see what it really means to be a Christian.


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25 Apr 2009, 4:59 pm

Sorry, but that won't do at all.

If you don't know what it is that you're not supposed to do, it's still Boogeyman Ethics, and that can make people mad.

McTell: The metaphor of huffing glue is about relative reward expectation, similar to that diagrammed in my essay, Expected Reward and Psychosis. The simple absence of an alternative activity (in this case, having sex) can naturally steer someone toward violent or even homicidal behavior.

We even see these provocations of acts of violence in the media. Happy Bunny (whom you can see in my avatar) is famous for such remarks as, "You're ugly, and that's sad," and, "Your anger makes me happy." Is this what we need after Virginia Tech?

Such violence-promoting acts are in danger of creating a lot of pain.

Anyway, I seem to have gotten off the subject.

Shadowgirl: I do not believe that anyone who says of someone who causes a child to sin, "It would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and be thrown into the sea," is a friend. He doesn't even tell you what a 'sin' is.

About your picture: do you notice how some of the dots are bigger or smaller than others in the first circle? To me, this symbolizes the fact that everyone is different. We are all born of different shapes and sizes, which, incidentally, brings forth problems for the Golden Rule.

If I begin following Jesus (again, whatever that means), will these differences cease among people? Will we even be able to, as Immanuel Kant wrote, abstract from the individual differences of rational beings? If so, then how will we do this? How would we keep an ethical system based on this abstraction from bullying the less attractive?


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25 Apr 2009, 5:08 pm

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McTell: The metaphor of huffing glue is about relative reward expectation, similar to that diagrammed in my essay, Expected Reward and Psychosis. The simple absence of an alternative activity (in this case, having sex) can naturally steer someone toward violent or even homicidal behavior.


Ah, I see. But I don't think that Christianity is about eliminating sex. Paul says in one of his letters (I think it was one of the Corinthians, but I don't know) that, although he thinks that it is best to go without sexual activity, it is better to marry someone than to go around with lustful thoughts.

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People make fake Gods like a buddha statue, baal, or random goddesses because they want to control God and take there own way in life. Which of course is the wrong way.


I didn't realise anyone worshipped Baal anymore. Who does that?



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25 Apr 2009, 5:10 pm

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Was that sarcasm, Merle?

I really get the impression that some of you are being mean.

no, it was called being obvious. richardbenson and I are tight, so it wasn't sarcasm, it was a 'd'oh! and a forehead smack.

sorry if you thought it was sarcasm.

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25 Apr 2009, 5:12 pm

I had to be really careful not to get angry at that picture... Sorry, Shadowgirl...

In fact, I'm so mad about it that I'll post one of my own.

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25 Apr 2009, 5:14 pm

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According to this theory, Christianity is designed to lure the less attractive away from romantic pursuits

Where do you get *that* from?

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Christians as a group, according to my theory, are roughly divided into Christian enjoyers and Christian servants.

Christians are all told to be like servants.

Likewise, all Christians are told to enjoy. ("Be joyful always." 1 Thessalonians 5:16)

In neither case is any distinction made between those who are romantically involved and those who aren't.


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25 Apr 2009, 5:19 pm

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Likewise, all Christians are told to enjoy. ("Be joyful always." 1 Thessalonians 5:16)


How do you follow such a command? It doesn't seem very easy.

Maybe it's not as easy for me as it is for you.

Gosh, that throne picture is so mean! It's like it actually wants you to be that stupid! Notice the word 'Lost'? "You Lost!" And how it almost depicts everyone as equal in every way, shape and form, when Christ is on the throne? I bet that's why so many people are bad at math.

Everyone is conscious, sure, but that doesn't mean we are all equal.


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25 Apr 2009, 5:44 pm

I can't believe you Christians are doing this to me. This makes me want to cry.


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25 Apr 2009, 5:48 pm

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I can't believe you Christians are doing this to me. This makes me want to cry.


isn't that what you wanted all along? No one comes into PP&R and challenges members for their opinion without getting what they asked for. So, now you are crying.
What did you expect to gain, anyway?


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25 Apr 2009, 5:52 pm

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Likewise, all Christians are told to enjoy. ("Be joyful always." 1 Thessalonians 5:16)


How do you follow such a command? It doesn't seem very easy.

It isn't always easy. So you just try.

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Gosh, that throne picture is so mean! It's like it actually wants you to be that stupid!

I don't see what it has to do with either meanness or stupidity.

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If you don't know what it is that you're not supposed to do, it's still Boogeyman Ethics,

What's unknown about what you aren't supposed to do?

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I do not believe that anyone who says of someone who causes a child to sin, "It would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and be thrown into the sea," is a friend.

So teaching children to be mean and evil is okay then?

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He doesn't even tell you what a 'sin' is.

A wrong action. Could range anywhere from mildly bad to viciously evil.

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If I begin following Jesus (again, whatever that means),

Doing what he says. Attempting to embody his approach and ideals.

I'm confused by your confusion.


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25 Apr 2009, 5:55 pm

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MikeH106 wrote:
I can't believe you Christians are doing this to me. This makes me want to cry.


isn't that what you wanted all along? No one comes into PP&R and challenges members for their opinion without getting what they asked for. So, now you are crying.
What did you expect to gain, anyway?

It seems to be a new trend in PPR lately, we have several people who grow quite upset when challenged. I feel like I'm walking on eggshells all the time to avoid offending them, but usually to no avail.


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25 Apr 2009, 6:00 pm

Sinsboldly:

1. I didn't say I did cry, only that I wanted to.
2. The wisdom of an action isn't affected by its particular outcome.
3. I'm upset with Christianity, yes, but not necessarily by our debate.

Orwell: Same for you. In case you were thinking of teaming up on me with Sinsboldly, she was wrong. If you agreed with her, you'd both be wrong.

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What's unknown about what you aren't supposed to do?


Jesus doesn't tell us what a 'sin' is. We know for sure that some actions are sins, but we can't always tell, can we? This is why I call Christianity a form of 'Boogeyman Ethics.'

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I do not believe that anyone who says of someone who causes a child to sin, "It would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and be thrown into the sea," is a friend.

So teaching children to be mean and evil is okay then?


How do you know that causing sin amounts to teaching them to be mean and evil? How do you even define a sin?

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A wrong action. Could range anywhere from mildly bad to viciously evil.


A 'wrong action'? That doesn't do us much good.

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If I begin following Jesus (again, whatever that means),

Doing what he says. Attempting to embody his approach and ideals.

I'm confused by your confusion.


Jesus tells you, "Do not sin." What is sinning? How do you tell when someone sins?


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25 Apr 2009, 6:03 pm

MikeH:

Mt 22:36 “[Jesus], which is the great commandment in the law?” And he said to him, ’You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.”

More bickering over particulars can be done, but that's the gist of it.


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25 Apr 2009, 6:04 pm

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Jesus tells you, "Do not sin." What is sinning? How do you tell when someone sins?


sinning is thinking that one's opinion makes it the truth


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25 Apr 2009, 6:06 pm

Thank you for at least giving a tentative definition. That's the kind of thing I like to see.

It must be admitted, however, that Christianity might eventually be replaced by a more compassionate system of ethics.


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