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24 Jun 2010, 1:50 pm

I don't think the Vandals would appreciate being associated with Bush.


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24 Jun 2010, 1:59 pm

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I don't think the Vandals would appreciate being associated with Bush.


How dare you say something so barbaric, you have a lot of Gaul so you must be a Goth.

Hope you don't mind me being so Frank, it's just a bit of Celtic Fury... :P



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24 Jun 2010, 2:30 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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I don't think the Vandals would appreciate being associated with Bush.


How dare you say something so barbaric, you have a lot of Gaul so you must be a Goth.

Hope you don't mind me being so Frank, it's just a bit of Celtic Fury... :P


Ironic choices given my French and German heritages (and there's still moor in there!).


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24 Jun 2010, 3:13 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
I don't think the Vandals would appreciate being associated with Bush.


How dare you say something so barbaric, you have a lot of Gaul so you must be a Goth.

Hope you don't mind me being so Frank, it's just a bit of Celtic Fury... :P


Ironic choices given my French and German heritages (and there's still moor in there!).


I'm actually French on my father's side and Irish on my mother's side, hence my second sentence.



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28 Jun 2010, 1:32 pm

Well, it looks like the Supremes just put another nail in the gun control coffin:

Supreme Court extends gun rights to states, cities

The usual suspects are making dire predictions and gnashing their teeth, but history has shown time and again that their protestations are so much hot air and posturing; this is a good day for the American citizen.


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28 Jun 2010, 5:06 pm

I also found this post on another forum while researching a slightly different nuance of the law, and I think it does a great job of clearing up a lingering misconception about the wording of the 2nd Amendment:

18th century English distinguished between "arms" (weapons and equipment of the individual soldier) and "pieces of ordnance" (cannons and other support weapons).

Crew served or non-man-portable weapons fall SQUARELY within the definition of "pieces of ordnance", and would not be considered "arms".

Having said that, an M4 carbine or M16 rifle (complete with happy switch) falls squarely within the definition of "arms".


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28 Jun 2010, 7:46 pm

Dox47 wrote:
Well, it looks like the Supremes just put another nail in the gun control coffin:

Supreme Court extends gun rights to states, cities

The usual suspects are making dire predictions and gnashing their teeth, but history has shown time and again that their protestations are so much hot air and posturing; this is a good day for the American citizen.

Yeah, it creates a whole new set of ways for gun control groups to get PWNED! :D :D :D


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28 Jun 2010, 8:02 pm

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Yeah, it creates a whole new set of ways for gun control groups to get PWNED! :D :D :D


Well, I don't know if I'd go that far just yet, just as in the Heller decision the local government is attempting to circumvent the law via onerous restrictions and requirements for a gun license that constitute a virtual de facto ban, but this is still a great victory in rolling back senseless legislative overreach. It's not the final nail in the coffin by any stretch, but it does set a significant legal hurdle for anyone attempting further encroachments of our rights.


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28 Jun 2010, 10:07 pm

Dox47 wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
Yeah, it creates a whole new set of ways for gun control groups to get PWNED! :D :D :D


Well, I don't know if I'd go that far just yet, just as in the Heller decision the local government is attempting to circumvent the law via onerous restrictions and requirements for a gun license that constitute a virtual de facto ban, but this is still a great victory in rolling back senseless legislative overreach. It's not the final nail in the coffin by any stretch, but it does set a significant legal hurdle for anyone attempting further encroachments of our rights.


Well, with all those guns the bankers and politicians may have some worries. The criminals, of course, are well practiced in defending themselves. It seems Afghanistan is having more influence on US culture than the other way around.



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29 Jun 2010, 12:06 am

Dox47 wrote:
I also found this post on another forum while researching a slightly different nuance of the law, and I think it does a great job of clearing up a lingering misconception about the wording of the 2nd Amendment:

18th century English distinguished between "arms" (weapons and equipment of the individual soldier) and "pieces of ordnance" (cannons and other support weapons).

Crew served or non-man-portable weapons fall SQUARELY within the definition of "pieces of ordnance", and would not be considered "arms".

Having said that, an M4 carbine or M16 rifle (complete with happy switch) falls squarely within the definition of "arms".


Dang, no pieces of ordinance? Those would be fairly sweet to own and fire at a range. It would have to have a range designed for it, but still it would be cool. Also kind of funny to hear people say that their 45's sound like a cannon and then hear a real cannon.

BTW, when I went to the shooting range for my bachelor's party one of my friends let me use his M1911... that thing did seem like it could do some damage, but with so much recoil how far out is it really possible to hit a target with accuracy?



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29 Jun 2010, 4:12 am

“Guns in the home are the primary source of firearms that teenagers use to kill themselves in the U.S.”





StopHandgunViolence.com:



5 children were killed every day in gun related accidents and suicides committed with a firearm, from 1994-1998. An average of 5 children were killed every day in gun related accidents and suicides committed with a firearm, from 1994-1998. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, National Injury Mortality Statistics, 1994-1998

40% of American households with children have guns. Peter Hart Research Associates Poll, July 1999 22 million children live in homes with at least one firearm. 34% of children in the United States (representing more than 22 million children in 11 million homes) live in homes with at least one firearm. In 69 percent of homes with firearms and children, more than one firearm is present. The RAND Corporation, "Guns in the Family: Firearm Storage Patterns in U.S. Homes with Children," March 2001, an analysis of the 1994 National Health Interview Survey and Year 2000 objectives supplement. Also published as Schuster et al., "Firearm Storage Patterns in U.S. Homes with Children," American Journal of Public Health 90(4): 588-594, April 2000

A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in an unintentional shooting, a criminal assault or homicide, or an attempted or completed suicide than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense. Journal of Trauma, 1998





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In 1992, handguns were used in the murders of 33 people in Britain, 36 in Sweden, 97 in Switzerland, 128 in Canada, 13 in Australia, 60 in Japan and 13,220 in the United States. Those are the latest annual statistics available. They were released yesterday by Handgun Control Inc. and the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence.

Here is some other information about guns and violence in America: In 1991 -- just one year -- 38,317 people were killed by firearms in homicides, suicides and accidents. That's more than 100 people a day. It's also more than the total number of Americans killed in battle in the Korean War.

A new handgun is produced every 20 seconds.





WashingtonCeaseFire.org:





Who is a Victim of Firearm Violence?

Firearm Victims By Race

White

Fatalities: 21,442 / Rate: 8.79 / 100,000

Injuries: 16,110 / Rate: 8.06 / 100,000

African-American

Fatalities: 7,448 / Rate: 18.30/100,000

Injuries: 29,951 / Rate: 69.85 / 100,000

Hispanic

Fatalities: 3,278 / Rate: 7.46 / 100,000

Injuries: 9,694 / Rate: 24.45 / 100,000

Asian/Pacific-Islander

Fatalities: 398 / Rate: 2.79 / 100,000

Injuries: n/a

Native American

Fatalities: 218 / Rate: 8.48 / 100,000

Injuries: n/a

Victims by Gender

Males:

Fatalities: 25,498 / Rate: 17.66 / 100,000

Injuries: 57,730 / Rate: 39.96 / 100,000

Females:

Fatalities: 4,071 / Rate: 2.73 / 100,000

Injuries: 6,557 / Rate: 4.40 / 100,000





KQED.org:





Manufacturing Every 8 seconds, a new firearm is made in America. (ATF, "Commerce in Firearms in the US", 2000 Report)

Over a twenty-five year period, from 1972 to 1997, over 59 million handguns were manufactured in the U.S.

The top 5 gun manufacturing states during that time:

1)Connecticut - 25,472,564

2) Massachusetts - 18,360,915

3) New York - 7,119,769

4) California - 6,337,544

5) Florida - 2,334,206

According to a data analysis by the Violence Prevention Center, just 3 states (top 3 listed above) accounted for 75 percent of all the domestic firearms manufactured in America during that 25 year period of time.

Also, the VPC notes that states with rigid gun control laws such as Massachusetts, California, and New York, were actually the leading makers of firearms. ((Violence Policy Center, "Firearms Production in America 1972 - 1997, A State by State Breakdown", 2000)

Did You Know?

Every hour in America, four people are killed by firearms. (Centers for Disease Control)

A gun in your home makes it three times more likely that you or someone you care about will be murdered by a family member or intimate partner (Kellerman,New England Journal of Medicine v329, n.15 1993)

Gun violence is the second-leading cause of injury-related fatalities in the US after car accidents. In Alaska, Maryland and Nevada as well as D.C., firearm death rates in 1998 exceeded those for car accidents. (CDC & Natnl. Vital Statistics Report, 1999)

One million Americans have died in firearm homicides, suicides, and unintentional shootings since 1962. (Fatal Firearm Injuries in the United States 1962-1994. Violence Surveillance Summary Series, No. 3, 1997; Deaths: Final Data for 1995- 1997, National Vital Statistics Report)

State/Local Contrary to popular opinion, gun violence isn't endemic only to certain cities or neighborhoods - it can happen anywhere.



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29 Jun 2010, 5:15 am

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Every hour in America, four people are killed by firearms. (Centers for Disease Control)


Four people per hour eh?

So, then 4 people per hour times 24 hours per day equals 96 people per day.

And 96 people per day times 365 (approx.) days per year equals 35,040 people per year.

There are 310,232,863 people in America (July 2010 est.), so it would take 8,853 years at this rate to kill off the current population.

End Of America: 10,863 A.D. News at 11



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29 Jun 2010, 5:26 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Every hour in America, four people are killed by firearms. (Centers for Disease Control)


Four people per hour eh?

So, then 4 people per hour times 24 hours per day equals 96 people per day.

And 96 people per day times 365 (approx.) days per year equals 35,040 people per year.

There are 310,232,863 people in America (July 2010 est.), so it would take 8,853 years at this rate to kill off the current population.

End Of America: 10,863 A.D. News at 11


Jumping to conclusions again. You assume prevailing conditions remain constant and are therefore too optimistic about getting rid of Americans.



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29 Jun 2010, 5:29 am

Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
Every hour in America, four people are killed by firearms. (Centers for Disease Control)


Four people per hour eh?

So, then 4 people per hour times 24 hours per day equals 96 people per day.

And 96 people per day times 365 (approx.) days per year equals 35,040 people per year.

There are 310,232,863 people in America (July 2010 est.), so it would take 8,853 years at this rate to kill off the current population.

End Of America: 10,863 A.D. News at 11


Jumping to conclusions again. You assume prevailing conditions remain constant and are therefore too optimistic about getting rid of Americans.


Wrong.



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29 Jun 2010, 5:31 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
Every hour in America, four people are killed by firearms. (Centers for Disease Control)


Four people per hour eh?

So, then 4 people per hour times 24 hours per day equals 96 people per day.

And 96 people per day times 365 (approx.) days per year equals 35,040 people per year.

There are 310,232,863 people in America (July 2010 est.), so it would take 8,853 years at this rate to kill off the current population.

End Of America: 10,863 A.D. News at 11


Jumping to conclusions again. You assume prevailing conditions remain constant and are therefore too optimistic about getting rid of Americans.


Wrong.


OK Go back to your corner and sulk again since you can't reason.



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29 Jun 2010, 5:32 am

Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
Every hour in America, four people are killed by firearms. (Centers for Disease Control)


Four people per hour eh?

So, then 4 people per hour times 24 hours per day equals 96 people per day.

And 96 people per day times 365 (approx.) days per year equals 35,040 people per year.

There are 310,232,863 people in America (July 2010 est.), so it would take 8,853 years at this rate to kill off the current population.

End Of America: 10,863 A.D. News at 11


Jumping to conclusions again. You assume prevailing conditions remain constant and are therefore too optimistic about getting rid of Americans.


Wrong.


OK Go back to your corner and sulk again since you can't reason.


Since when did you care about reason apart from the connotations of the word itself?