Secularization enables the growth of Islam.

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Looks as though it will be quite some time before your white flight has no where to fly to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Religion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States#Historical_trends

First of all..... who or what in the devil is"revleft"?


Secondly.....i'm the intolerant one simply because I think the groups and individuals you mentioned are idiotic and bigoted? You're the one who would likely do anything in your power to force Muslims, blacks, etc....to go back to their respective places of origin and i'm intolerant? Rush Limbaugh can say any damn fool thing he likes, I wouldn't censor him or force him to do/not to do anything... even if I could. I'm afraid you're using a common, tiresome and downright absurd tactic that i've noticed alot of conservatives using these days.

That is....the tactic of projection...and it's not going to work with me. I swear...some of you conservatives could fly a swastika in my face and accuse me of being the real racist. I could just see it now:

"We're not racist....we just want blacks to go back to Africa where they belong so we whites can enjoy our nice little "homeland" ( ) here!! ! You are the real racist cuz you hate white people and hope blacks and muslims kill us all!! !"

So now i'm the "self-hating" white person praying for the death and/or second-class citizenship of myself and all my fellow white people.

Does that sound like something any half-sane person with an ounce of rational self-interest would support? I mean seriously.....please try to analyze your thoughts a bit better, because it seems as though you're ascribing some rather preposterous motivations to those of us who disagree with you.

If you're wondering why I think so many conservatives are really off their rockers these days... you needn't look any further than this post of yours. Some of things you people say really leaves me with my mouth agape. It's hard to conceive of otherwise rational human brains which can incongruously conjure up so many rank absurdities.

Does ANYONE else here see this anti-white favoritism Hanotaux keeps talking about in America?

Do any of you people of white European descent feel oppressed in any way, shape, or form BECAUSE you are of white European descent?

I don't know. It's one of my internal monologues on a grandiose topic. I really want to write a sci fi novel one day. I think about how societies develop so I can project them into the future somewhat realistically.

The idea that religions and societies are tools and that they evolve is fairly common amongst sociobiologists (yeah, I know much of that stuff is rubbish) and sociologists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutiona ... _religions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_societies

hey puddingmouse, i was talking to my husband about your ideas, and he said it all sounded really cool too. i hope you don't mind i let him read all of what you wrote in this thread. i wanted him to see it because he has a Bachelor of Arts in Social Sciences, and he started a Master of Arts in Philosophy (ran out of funding to finish).

he said it was really neat, and he didn't understand all of it, but he really liked what you had to say. it was fascinating to him too.

just wanted to let you know that your thoughts and ideas are appreciated.

there's still scabs on the a** of progress like you

Speaking of social theory of societies, Puddingmouse, I wonder if you have looked into meme theory and/or R/K selection as it pertains to cultural groups?

Actually, it has less to do with individual reproduction than with how societies or cultures grow and expand: by evangelism, forced conversion through warfare, biological reproduction and indoctrination of the young, etc, vs. how they lose people to other cultures (children of believers becoming atheists, converting to other beliefs, being killed off in genocides, etc). As with biological reproduction, societies where the culture as a whole invests a great deal in each individual's happiness (think iceland or sweeden) often are the least evangelistic in demanding that their way of life be spread by whatever means, wheras societies that do little for the individual (and often are harsh and demanding towards the individual) are often very insistent that their members put a great deal of effort into spreading that way of life. Quality of investment vs. quantity of investment on a cultural level.

this is the essay where I initially encountered the idea:
http://cfpm.org/jom-emit/1997/vol1/fog_a.html

while there are obvious problems with meme theory, I am convinced that the model has some important strengths in allowing us to understand the ecology and evolution of cultures.