When the riots begin
It is precisely such simple mindedness that has led to the Occupy Wall Street protests and it is such thoughtlessness that will lead to social dislocation in the United States. The collective pursuit of life, liberty and happiness necessarily leads to some degree of inequality for the things which you enjoy others cannot have. But inequality is not oppression. Just because others have more does not mean that the rest have been deprived of their rights.
Some degree of inequality is inevitable, but America has taken it to levels worthy of an oppression label. There is nothing simple-minded about observing this divergence and saying, "enough."

Inequality does seem to be the rallying banner. Consider this though: if you regard a large enough inequality as evidence of oppression, then the dramatic gulf between the average American and the average Brazilian/Chinese/Indian is proof that Americans as a group are oppressing others elsewhere in the world. Third World country leaders as diverse as Mao Zedong and Hugo Chavez have taken just such positions. Do you agree with them?
So according to your own arguments, and allowing that we extend the lens to look at humanity beyond the pale of America’s borders, the very Americans who now claim that they are oppressed are in fact oppressors themselves. How else do we explain the disturbing fact that the Chinese worker, who labor so arduously to produce the iPhone, cannot actually afford to buy one themselves? These noisome protestors claim to be victims when things do not go their way, but blithely ignore the suffering of others when they are in the groove and get to party full swing.
What I see is the lament of the hedonist who cannot satisfy his or her cravings and it is disgusting.
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So according to your own arguments, and allowing that we extend the lens to look at humanity beyond the pale of America’s borders, the very Americans who now claim that they are oppressed are in fact oppressors themselves. How else do we explain the disturbing fact that the Chinese worker, who labor so arduously to produce the iPhone, cannot actually afford to buy one themselves? These noisome protestors claim to be victims when things do not go their way, but blithely ignore the suffering of others when they are in the groove and get to party full swing.
What I see is the lament of the hedonist who cannot satisfy his or her cravings and it is disgusting.
Well in some ways the U.S does play a role in opression of people in other countries....And I never claimed all americans are opressors. I was more arguing that the 1% with 90% of the wealth that heavily influences the government are the opressors...and well obviously government officials who have been bought would be included as opressors.
Yeah things in the world are not so great and finally people are getting a little fed up and openly expressing it.
So according to your own arguments, and allowing that we extend the lens to look at humanity beyond the pale of America’s borders, the very Americans who now claim that they are oppressed are in fact oppressors themselves. How else do we explain the disturbing fact that the Chinese worker, who labor so arduously to produce the iPhone, cannot actually afford to buy one themselves? These noisome protestors claim to be victims when things do not go their way, but blithely ignore the suffering of others when they are in the groove and get to party full swing.
What I see is the lament of the hedonist who cannot satisfy his or her cravings and it is disgusting.
You are just worried that USA citizens had a higher mortality rate with the Bonus
Marchers than did those other country's citizens more near the Gate of Heavenly Peace.
You seem to have mildew on your unfocused monocular also. You have lost concept of calories
produced per square unit being different by location.
Tadzio
Unlike the other contemporary expression of popular discontent, the Tea Party movement, the Occupy Wall Street protesters are showing clear signs of veering towards violent political expression. The Occupiers, as they are now called, are happy to be arrested in the name of living up to other protest movements like the civil rights and the anti-war protests of the 1960s and 1970s. Except that unlike the protesters of the last generation, the battlements of the Occupiers are devoid of any flag of purpose beyond the rant that the good life they believe to be a birthright is beyond their grasp.
Such displays of needy greed are unwholesome and disgusting. Not unlike the hooligan students of Greece, the Occupy Wall Street protesters in effect ask for the entire system to be overturned so that they may benefit. Why pay off your debts, much less the debts of an earlier generation, if you can simply repudiate your obligations by screaming and shouting?
It is precisely such simple mindedness that has led to the Occupy Wall Street protests and it is such thoughtlessness that will lead to social dislocation in the United States. The collective pursuit of life, liberty and happiness necessarily leads to some degree of inequality for the things which you enjoy others cannot have. But inequality is not oppression. Just because others have more does not mean that the rest have been deprived of their rights.
Have you met Shiquro Takada? Do you eat very spicy foods?
Tadzio
Many people think that serious criminal acts were perpetrated by Wall Street insiders in both the NASDAQ and real estate bubbles, and I am one of those who believe that very serious crimes were committed. Unlike the general public though, I have personal experience in dealing with serious financial crimes. Like everyone else, I want these crimes exposed and the criminals prosecuted. But justice can never be achieved if the people choose to remain ignorant. What hope is there for the truth if the American people base their critique of the financial system on the documentary “Inside Job”; which was funded by George Soros and purports to be the definitive account of the financial collapse of 2007/8.
Thus misinformed the useful idiots charge on. If they had but once mentioned how puzzling it is that Lehman Brothers collapsed the way it did, I would respect them more because they would be really on to something. Or if they would question how the Obama administration should try so very hard to resurrect the very same shadow banking system that had brought the country to the brink of disaster, I would reappraise my judgment of them. Alas, they just to vent, they do not want to think.
Protesters say the only way they will leave is by force. Organizers sent out a mass email asking supporters to “defend the occupation from eviction.”
“We are doubling up on our determination to stay here as a result of this,” said 26-year-old Sophie Mascia, a Queens resident who has been living in Zuccotti Park for three weeks and intends to sleep there Friday night. “I think this is only going to strengthen our movement.”
The show down which looms neatly illustrates how the freedom of one invariably bumps against the freedom of others. The protesters very clearly want to take property that does not belong to them with the use of force if necessary. And to think that they are protesting against greed and criminality.

Don't be silly, no one can give you a definitive date. But from the looks of things, the breakdown I have been talking about will happen in the near future. They have postponed the "cleansing" of Zuccotti Park because passions are running very high. The protesters are bracing for violence and even prepping for it. They are definitely not going to leave peacefully. Certainly the police in other places like Seattle and Los Angeles where memories of riots are still fresh are on high alert. It will not take much for the situation to explode. Like I said, there are people who want the riots to happen. Imagine looting Nordstroms or Saks...
The "near future"? At ANY given time the near future is an hour away. That is not a prediction.
Someday my prince and my riot will come.
ruveyn
Violence of some sort is vital if Occupy Wall Street is to legitimize itself. If protesters disband and leave Zuccotti Park simply because they were told to do so or because of deteriorating conditions as winter approaches, then everything they have done would have been a meaningless sham. Protest movements need to claim persecution and oppression in order to sustain and solidify interest; especially for groups like Occupy Wall Street which have no discernible ideology or leader that allows participants to coalesce around. They need to make it seem that they are getting beaten up because the maltreatment will automatically allow them to claim the moral high ground. Only with violence can Occupy Wall Street hope to endure.
The authorities have decided to allow the protesters to stay where they are for the time being. It is hoped that cold weather in the coming weeks will send people home. But having already put the self styled activists on high alert with threats of eviction from what really is private property, the justifying foundation for “defensive violence” by the extremists within the group has already been laid. It will be interesting to see if the punks leave quietly. I doubt that they will because some of these people really do believe that capitalism has not only failed, it is actually evil. And since capitalism arises directly from precepts of freedom and the rule of law, anyone who believes that capitalism should be gotten rid of will see no reason to respect the freedoms of others or to obey the laws that guard the rights and properties of the capitalists. In other words, I think that it is likely that they will riot.
The authorities have decided to allow the protesters to stay where they are for the time being. It is hoped that cold weather in the coming weeks will send people home. But having already put the self styled activists on high alert with threats of eviction from what really is private property, the justifying foundation for “defensive violence” by the extremists within the group has already been laid. It will be interesting to see if the punks leave quietly. I doubt that they will because some of these people really do believe that capitalism has not only failed, it is actually evil. And since capitalism arises directly from precepts of freedom and the rule of law, anyone who believes that capitalism should be gotten rid of will see no reason to respect the freedoms of others or to obey the laws that guard the rights and properties of the capitalists. In other words, I think that it is likely that they will riot.
You are projecting way too much on the protestors. Most are very peaceful people who have legitimate concerns and complaints about the corruption of their government. I'm not sure where you're getting your wild fantasies from, but the reaction to the park's condition that I saw was a clean-up effort by the protestors themselves.

They don't want trouble, they want true representation.
Tomorrow, OWS goes global. Anti-corporatism =/= anti-capitalism. Anything too big to fail is too big to exist. This problem is not unique to America.
http://news.yahoo.com/wall-street-sit-g ... 59242.html