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04 Oct 2011, 10:33 pm
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Then do what I do, and support America having a single payer, universal healthcare system.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
And when medical costs go up as they surely will, medical services will be rationed.
Are you happy about that?
ruveyn
That's still going to beat going without medical care due to lack of insurance, or because insurance companies desert their clients when the need them the most.
And most people in countries with single payer wouldn't live without it, regardless of the alleged rationing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
04 Oct 2011, 10:38 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
That's still going to beat going without medical care due to lack of insurance, or because insurance companies desert their clients when the need them the most.
And most people in countries with single payer wouldn't live without it, regardless of the alleged rationing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The delays in getting an MRI in Canada are notorious. You can get an MRI right away if you are dying, but if you are not yet critically or acutely ill you can wait your turn for months, or until you are really about to die.
I would not object to single payer provided one can opt out. Also if purely private fee for service were permitted for those who can afford it. Why should a rich person have to put up with the delays that the government imposes on the Proles and the Hoi Poloi? O.K. we will have two tier service. One for those who can afford it. They will get the best (of course) and single payer for the Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth.
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04 Oct 2011, 10:44 pm
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
That's still going to beat going without medical care due to lack of insurance, or because insurance companies desert their clients when the need them the most.
And most people in countries with single payer wouldn't live without it, regardless of the alleged rationing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The delays in getting an MRI in Canada are notorious. You can get an MRI right away if you are dying, but if you are not yet critically or acutely ill you can wait your turn for months, or until you are really about to die.
I would not object to single payer provided one can opt out. Also if purely private fee for service were permitted for those who can afford it. Why should a rich person have to put up with the delays that the government imposes on the Proles and the Hoi Poloi? O.K. we will have two tier service. One for those who can afford it. They will get the best (of course) and single payer for the Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth.
ruveyn
ruveyn
As for the "Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth," I think I resemble that remark.
And of course, just because medical care is slow in Canada doesn't mean that we can't work out the kinks in the system.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
04 Oct 2011, 10:49 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
That's still going to beat going without medical care due to lack of insurance, or because insurance companies desert their clients when the need them the most.
And most people in countries with single payer wouldn't live without it, regardless of the alleged rationing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The delays in getting an MRI in Canada are notorious. You can get an MRI right away if you are dying, but if you are not yet critically or acutely ill you can wait your turn for months, or until you are really about to die.
I would not object to single payer provided one can opt out. Also if purely private fee for service were permitted for those who can afford it. Why should a rich person have to put up with the delays that the government imposes on the Proles and the Hoi Poloi? O.K. we will have two tier service. One for those who can afford it. They will get the best (of course) and single payer for the Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth.
ruveyn
ruveyn
As for the "Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth," I think I resemble that remark.
And of course, just because medical care is slow in Canada doesn't mean that we can't work out the kinks in the system.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Government can't even run the post office effectively and you expect them to do any better about deciding whether or not you get a life-saving treatment?!?!
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04 Oct 2011, 10:56 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
That's still going to beat going without medical care due to lack of insurance, or because insurance companies desert their clients when the need them the most.
And most people in countries with single payer wouldn't live without it, regardless of the alleged rationing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The delays in getting an MRI in Canada are notorious. You can get an MRI right away if you are dying, but if you are not yet critically or acutely ill you can wait your turn for months, or until you are really about to die.
I would not object to single payer provided one can opt out. Also if purely private fee for service were permitted for those who can afford it. Why should a rich person have to put up with the delays that the government imposes on the Proles and the Hoi Poloi? O.K. we will have two tier service. One for those who can afford it. They will get the best (of course) and single payer for the Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth.
ruveyn
ruveyn
As for the "Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth," I think I resemble that remark.
And of course, just because medical care is slow in Canada doesn't mean that we can't work out the kinks in the system.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Government can't even run the post office effectively and you expect them to do any better about deciding whether or not you get a life-saving treatment?!?!
The government runs the post office just fine. It's current troubles arises from the senate vindictively forcing the post office to pay their retirees' pensions in a ten year period.
In one job I worked, the lady in charge of shipping and handling maintained that of all the delivery services, the post office was by far the most reliable and efficient. As that was her job, I think she was an expert on the matter.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
04 Oct 2011, 11:08 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Then do what I do, and support America having a single payer, universal healthcare system.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
And when medical costs go up as they surely will, medical services will be rationed.
Are you happy about that?
ruveyn
That's still going to beat going without medical care due to lack of insurance, or because insurance companies desert their clients when the need them the most.
And most people in countries with single payer wouldn't live without it, regardless of the alleged rationing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Healthcare is already being rationed based on your insurance policy. The truth is the for-profit nature of our healthcare system encourages waste because certain companies make money off of certain treatments, regardless of any real efficacy advantage. I mean, just look at all the television commercials pushing hard for the latest drugs when older generics often work just as well. A lot of it is a bunch of BS. I'd say half of MRI's are a pointless waste of money as well, but Americans demand them. The people with expensive insurance policies waste resources, while the people stuck with sh***y insurance get the shaft on treatments they absolutely need.
04 Oct 2011, 11:22 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
That's still going to beat going without medical care due to lack of insurance, or because insurance companies desert their clients when the need them the most.
And most people in countries with single payer wouldn't live without it, regardless of the alleged rationing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The delays in getting an MRI in Canada are notorious. You can get an MRI right away if you are dying, but if you are not yet critically or acutely ill you can wait your turn for months, or until you are really about to die.
I would not object to single payer provided one can opt out. Also if purely private fee for service were permitted for those who can afford it. Why should a rich person have to put up with the delays that the government imposes on the Proles and the Hoi Poloi? O.K. we will have two tier service. One for those who can afford it. They will get the best (of course) and single payer for the Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth.
ruveyn
ruveyn
As for the "Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth," I think I resemble that remark.
And of course, just because medical care is slow in Canada doesn't mean that we can't work out the kinks in the system.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Government can't even run the post office effectively and you expect them to do any better about deciding whether or not you get a life-saving treatment?!?!
The government runs the post office just fine. It's current troubles arises from the senate vindictively forcing the post office to pay their retirees' pensions in a ten year period.
In one job I worked, the lady in charge of shipping and handling maintained that of all the delivery services, the post office was by far the most reliable and efficient. As that was her job, I think she was an expert on the matter.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually I've found Fed Ex and UPS to be more reliable.
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04 Oct 2011, 11:30 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
That's still going to beat going without medical care due to lack of insurance, or because insurance companies desert their clients when the need them the most.
And most people in countries with single payer wouldn't live without it, regardless of the alleged rationing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The delays in getting an MRI in Canada are notorious. You can get an MRI right away if you are dying, but if you are not yet critically or acutely ill you can wait your turn for months, or until you are really about to die.
I would not object to single payer provided one can opt out. Also if purely private fee for service were permitted for those who can afford it. Why should a rich person have to put up with the delays that the government imposes on the Proles and the Hoi Poloi? O.K. we will have two tier service. One for those who can afford it. They will get the best (of course) and single payer for the Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth.
ruveyn
ruveyn
As for the "Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth," I think I resemble that remark.
And of course, just because medical care is slow in Canada doesn't mean that we can't work out the kinks in the system.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Government can't even run the post office effectively and you expect them to do any better about deciding whether or not you get a life-saving treatment?!?!
The government runs the post office just fine. It's current troubles arises from the senate vindictively forcing the post office to pay their retirees' pensions in a ten year period.
In one job I worked, the lady in charge of shipping and handling maintained that of all the delivery services, the post office was by far the most reliable and efficient. As that was her job, I think she was an expert on the matter.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually I've found Fed Ex and UPS to be more reliable.
Another of my coworkers, who had once worked for UPS, during the same conversation had said that his former employers had little regard for their customers, saying that they never even took complaints for their sloppy work seriously.
Also, it's quite a bit more expensive to ship with Fed Ex or UPS than it is with the post office, when the latter only charges by the cost of postage stamps. In that regard, private delivery companies can never deliver a letter from one end of the country to the other for the cost of a stamp.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
04 Oct 2011, 11:46 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
That's still going to beat going without medical care due to lack of insurance, or because insurance companies desert their clients when the need them the most.
And most people in countries with single payer wouldn't live without it, regardless of the alleged rationing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The delays in getting an MRI in Canada are notorious. You can get an MRI right away if you are dying, but if you are not yet critically or acutely ill you can wait your turn for months, or until you are really about to die.
I would not object to single payer provided one can opt out. Also if purely private fee for service were permitted for those who can afford it. Why should a rich person have to put up with the delays that the government imposes on the Proles and the Hoi Poloi? O.K. we will have two tier service. One for those who can afford it. They will get the best (of course) and single payer for the Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth.
ruveyn
ruveyn
As for the "Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth," I think I resemble that remark.
And of course, just because medical care is slow in Canada doesn't mean that we can't work out the kinks in the system.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Government can't even run the post office effectively and you expect them to do any better about deciding whether or not you get a life-saving treatment?!?!
The government runs the post office just fine. It's current troubles arises from the senate vindictively forcing the post office to pay their retirees' pensions in a ten year period.
In one job I worked, the lady in charge of shipping and handling maintained that of all the delivery services, the post office was by far the most reliable and efficient. As that was her job, I think she was an expert on the matter.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually I've found Fed Ex and UPS to be more reliable.
Another of my coworkers, who had once worked for UPS, during the same conversation had said that his former employers had little regard for their customers, saying that they never even took complaints for their sloppy work seriously.
Also, it's quite a bit more expensive to ship with Fed Ex or UPS than it is with the post office, when the latter only charges by the cost of postage stamps. In that regard, private delivery companies can never deliver a letter from one end of the country to the other for the cost of a stamp.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Also, I've done volunteer work at a local post office. Not an easy job. None of them were slackers.
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04 Oct 2011, 11:52 pm
marshall wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
That's still going to beat going without medical care due to lack of insurance, or because insurance companies desert their clients when the need them the most.
And most people in countries with single payer wouldn't live without it, regardless of the alleged rationing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The delays in getting an MRI in Canada are notorious. You can get an MRI right away if you are dying, but if you are not yet critically or acutely ill you can wait your turn for months, or until you are really about to die.
I would not object to single payer provided one can opt out. Also if purely private fee for service were permitted for those who can afford it. Why should a rich person have to put up with the delays that the government imposes on the Proles and the Hoi Poloi? O.K. we will have two tier service. One for those who can afford it. They will get the best (of course) and single payer for the Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth.
ruveyn
ruveyn
As for the "Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth," I think I resemble that remark.
And of course, just because medical care is slow in Canada doesn't mean that we can't work out the kinks in the system.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Government can't even run the post office effectively and you expect them to do any better about deciding whether or not you get a life-saving treatment?!?!
The government runs the post office just fine. It's current troubles arises from the senate vindictively forcing the post office to pay their retirees' pensions in a ten year period.
In one job I worked, the lady in charge of shipping and handling maintained that of all the delivery services, the post office was by far the most reliable and efficient. As that was her job, I think she was an expert on the matter.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually I've found Fed Ex and UPS to be more reliable.
Another of my coworkers, who had once worked for UPS, during the same conversation had said that his former employers had little regard for their customers, saying that they never even took complaints for their sloppy work seriously.
Also, it's quite a bit more expensive to ship with Fed Ex or UPS than it is with the post office, when the latter only charges by the cost of postage stamps. In that regard, private delivery companies can never deliver a letter from one end of the country to the other for the cost of a stamp.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Also, I've done volunteer work at a local post office. Not an easy job. None of them were slackers.
The late Charles Bukowski had worked for years at the post office, and the work - as well as supervisors and coworkers who were literally certifiable - almost killed him.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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05 Oct 2011, 2:26 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
That's still going to beat going without medical care due to lack of insurance, or because insurance companies desert their clients when the need them the most.
And most people in countries with single payer wouldn't live without it, regardless of the alleged rationing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The delays in getting an MRI in Canada are notorious. You can get an MRI right away if you are dying, but if you are not yet critically or acutely ill you can wait your turn for months, or until you are really about to die.
I would not object to single payer provided one can opt out. Also if purely private fee for service were permitted for those who can afford it. Why should a rich person have to put up with the delays that the government imposes on the Proles and the Hoi Poloi? O.K. we will have two tier service. One for those who can afford it. They will get the best (of course) and single payer for the Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth.
ruveyn
ruveyn
As for the "Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth," I think I resemble that remark.
And of course, just because medical care is slow in Canada doesn't mean that we can't work out the kinks in the system.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Government can't even run the post office effectively and you expect them to do any better about deciding whether or not you get a life-saving treatment?!?!
The government runs the post office just fine. It's current troubles arises from the senate vindictively forcing the post office to pay their retirees' pensions in a ten year period.
In one job I worked, the lady in charge of shipping and handling maintained that of all the delivery services, the post office was by far the most reliable and efficient. As that was her job, I think she was an expert on the matter.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually I've found Fed Ex and UPS to be more reliable.
Another of my coworkers, who had once worked for UPS, during the same conversation had said that his former employers had little regard for their customers, saying that they never even took complaints for their sloppy work seriously.
Also, it's quite a bit more expensive to ship with Fed Ex or UPS than it is with the post office, when the latter only charges by the cost of postage stamps. In that regard, private delivery companies can never deliver a letter from one end of the country to the other for the cost of a stamp.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
the postal office is 9 billion dollars in debt, that cost is not the actual cost to deliver the item, as the overwhelming majority of that is subsidized by the taxpayer. just because you don't see or pay down that 9 billion dollars doesn't mean that your getting a cheap service.
I agree with the UPS coworker you met, but it is the same at the USPS (Which I've worked at) and Fedex(which I've also worked at). It is endemic to the entire industry as they fight to be efficient, and they are one of the powerful engines that keep this economy moving. There is no way around it unless you want a poorer more sustainable economy that employees far less people with no middle class.
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05 Oct 2011, 10:50 am
MarketAndChurch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
That's still going to beat going without medical care due to lack of insurance, or because insurance companies desert their clients when the need them the most.
And most people in countries with single payer wouldn't live without it, regardless of the alleged rationing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The delays in getting an MRI in Canada are notorious. You can get an MRI right away if you are dying, but if you are not yet critically or acutely ill you can wait your turn for months, or until you are really about to die.
I would not object to single payer provided one can opt out. Also if purely private fee for service were permitted for those who can afford it. Why should a rich person have to put up with the delays that the government imposes on the Proles and the Hoi Poloi? O.K. we will have two tier service. One for those who can afford it. They will get the best (of course) and single payer for the Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth.
ruveyn
ruveyn
As for the "Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth," I think I resemble that remark.
And of course, just because medical care is slow in Canada doesn't mean that we can't work out the kinks in the system.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Government can't even run the post office effectively and you expect them to do any better about deciding whether or not you get a life-saving treatment?!?!
The government runs the post office just fine. It's current troubles arises from the senate vindictively forcing the post office to pay their retirees' pensions in a ten year period.
In one job I worked, the lady in charge of shipping and handling maintained that of all the delivery services, the post office was by far the most reliable and efficient. As that was her job, I think she was an expert on the matter.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually I've found Fed Ex and UPS to be more reliable.
Another of my coworkers, who had once worked for UPS, during the same conversation had said that his former employers had little regard for their customers, saying that they never even took complaints for their sloppy work seriously.
Also, it's quite a bit more expensive to ship with Fed Ex or UPS than it is with the post office, when the latter only charges by the cost of postage stamps. In that regard, private delivery companies can never deliver a letter from one end of the country to the other for the cost of a stamp.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
the postal office is 9 billion dollars in debt, that cost is not the actual cost to deliver the item, as the overwhelming majority of that is subsidized by the taxpayer. just because you don't see or pay down that 9 billion dollars doesn't mean that your getting a cheap service.
I agree with the UPS coworker you met, but it is the same at the USPS (Which I've worked at) and Fedex(which I've also worked at). It is endemic to the entire industry as they fight to be efficient, and they are one of the powerful engines that keep this economy moving. There is no way around it unless you want a poorer more sustainable economy that employees far less people with no middle class.
But will Fed Ex or UPS deliver a letter for me from Washington State, all the way across country to my Aunt in Maryland, all for the cost of a postage stamp?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
05 Oct 2011, 10:51 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
That's still going to beat going without medical care due to lack of insurance, or because insurance companies desert their clients when the need them the most.
And most people in countries with single payer wouldn't live without it, regardless of the alleged rationing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The delays in getting an MRI in Canada are notorious. You can get an MRI right away if you are dying, but if you are not yet critically or acutely ill you can wait your turn for months, or until you are really about to die.
I would not object to single payer provided one can opt out. Also if purely private fee for service were permitted for those who can afford it. Why should a rich person have to put up with the delays that the government imposes on the Proles and the Hoi Poloi? O.K. we will have two tier service. One for those who can afford it. They will get the best (of course) and single payer for the Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth.
ruveyn
ruveyn
As for the "Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth," I think I resemble that remark.
And of course, just because medical care is slow in Canada doesn't mean that we can't work out the kinks in the system.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Government can't even run the post office effectively and you expect them to do any better about deciding whether or not you get a life-saving treatment?!?!
The government runs the post office just fine. It's current troubles arises from the senate vindictively forcing the post office to pay their retirees' pensions in a ten year period.
In one job I worked, the lady in charge of shipping and handling maintained that of all the delivery services, the post office was by far the most reliable and efficient. As that was her job, I think she was an expert on the matter.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually I've found Fed Ex and UPS to be more reliable.
Another of my coworkers, who had once worked for UPS, during the same conversation had said that his former employers had little regard for their customers, saying that they never even took complaints for their sloppy work seriously.
Also, it's quite a bit more expensive to ship with Fed Ex or UPS than it is with the post office, when the latter only charges by the cost of postage stamps. In that regard, private delivery companies can never deliver a letter from one end of the country to the other for the cost of a stamp.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
the postal office is 9 billion dollars in debt, that cost is not the actual cost to deliver the item, as the overwhelming majority of that is subsidized by the taxpayer. just because you don't see or pay down that 9 billion dollars doesn't mean that your getting a cheap service.
I agree with the UPS coworker you met, but it is the same at the USPS (Which I've worked at) and Fedex(which I've also worked at). It is endemic to the entire industry as they fight to be efficient, and they are one of the powerful engines that keep this economy moving. There is no way around it unless you want a poorer more sustainable economy that employees far less people with no middle class.
But will Fed Ex or UPS deliver a letter for me from Washington State, all the way across country to my Aunt in Maryland, all for the cost of a postage stamp?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Nope, because they can't due to Federal Regulation which makes it illegal for them to deliver regular mail.
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05 Oct 2011, 11:00 am
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
That's still going to beat going without medical care due to lack of insurance, or because insurance companies desert their clients when the need them the most.
And most people in countries with single payer wouldn't live without it, regardless of the alleged rationing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The delays in getting an MRI in Canada are notorious. You can get an MRI right away if you are dying, but if you are not yet critically or acutely ill you can wait your turn for months, or until you are really about to die.
I would not object to single payer provided one can opt out. Also if purely private fee for service were permitted for those who can afford it. Why should a rich person have to put up with the delays that the government imposes on the Proles and the Hoi Poloi? O.K. we will have two tier service. One for those who can afford it. They will get the best (of course) and single payer for the Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth.
ruveyn
ruveyn
As for the "Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth," I think I resemble that remark.
And of course, just because medical care is slow in Canada doesn't mean that we can't work out the kinks in the system.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Government can't even run the post office effectively and you expect them to do any better about deciding whether or not you get a life-saving treatment?!?!
The government runs the post office just fine. It's current troubles arises from the senate vindictively forcing the post office to pay their retirees' pensions in a ten year period.
In one job I worked, the lady in charge of shipping and handling maintained that of all the delivery services, the post office was by far the most reliable and efficient. As that was her job, I think she was an expert on the matter.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually I've found Fed Ex and UPS to be more reliable.
Another of my coworkers, who had once worked for UPS, during the same conversation had said that his former employers had little regard for their customers, saying that they never even took complaints for their sloppy work seriously.
Also, it's quite a bit more expensive to ship with Fed Ex or UPS than it is with the post office, when the latter only charges by the cost of postage stamps. In that regard, private delivery companies can never deliver a letter from one end of the country to the other for the cost of a stamp.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
the postal office is 9 billion dollars in debt, that cost is not the actual cost to deliver the item, as the overwhelming majority of that is subsidized by the taxpayer. just because you don't see or pay down that 9 billion dollars doesn't mean that your getting a cheap service.
I agree with the UPS coworker you met, but it is the same at the USPS (Which I've worked at) and Fedex(which I've also worked at). It is endemic to the entire industry as they fight to be efficient, and they are one of the powerful engines that keep this economy moving. There is no way around it unless you want a poorer more sustainable economy that employees far less people with no middle class.
But will Fed Ex or UPS deliver a letter for me from Washington State, all the way across country to my Aunt in Maryland, all for the cost of a postage stamp?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Nope, because they can't due to Federal Regulation which makes it illegal for them to deliver regular mail.
But assuming that they were allowed to take over the mail (as a lot of Republican leaders want), would they deliver that letter for me, for the cost of a postage stamp?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
05 Oct 2011, 11:09 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
That's still going to beat going without medical care due to lack of insurance, or because insurance companies desert their clients when the need them the most.
And most people in countries with single payer wouldn't live without it, regardless of the alleged rationing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The delays in getting an MRI in Canada are notorious. You can get an MRI right away if you are dying, but if you are not yet critically or acutely ill you can wait your turn for months, or until you are really about to die.
I would not object to single payer provided one can opt out. Also if purely private fee for service were permitted for those who can afford it. Why should a rich person have to put up with the delays that the government imposes on the Proles and the Hoi Poloi? O.K. we will have two tier service. One for those who can afford it. They will get the best (of course) and single payer for the Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth.
ruveyn
ruveyn
As for the "Proletariat and the miserable scum of the earth," I think I resemble that remark.
And of course, just because medical care is slow in Canada doesn't mean that we can't work out the kinks in the system.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Government can't even run the post office effectively and you expect them to do any better about deciding whether or not you get a life-saving treatment?!?!
The government runs the post office just fine. It's current troubles arises from the senate vindictively forcing the post office to pay their retirees' pensions in a ten year period.
In one job I worked, the lady in charge of shipping and handling maintained that of all the delivery services, the post office was by far the most reliable and efficient. As that was her job, I think she was an expert on the matter.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually I've found Fed Ex and UPS to be more reliable.
Another of my coworkers, who had once worked for UPS, during the same conversation had said that his former employers had little regard for their customers, saying that they never even took complaints for their sloppy work seriously.
Also, it's quite a bit more expensive to ship with Fed Ex or UPS than it is with the post office, when the latter only charges by the cost of postage stamps. In that regard, private delivery companies can never deliver a letter from one end of the country to the other for the cost of a stamp.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
the postal office is 9 billion dollars in debt, that cost is not the actual cost to deliver the item, as the overwhelming majority of that is subsidized by the taxpayer. just because you don't see or pay down that 9 billion dollars doesn't mean that your getting a cheap service.
I agree with the UPS coworker you met, but it is the same at the USPS (Which I've worked at) and Fedex(which I've also worked at). It is endemic to the entire industry as they fight to be efficient, and they are one of the powerful engines that keep this economy moving. There is no way around it unless you want a poorer more sustainable economy that employees far less people with no middle class.
But will Fed Ex or UPS deliver a letter for me from Washington State, all the way across country to my Aunt in Maryland, all for the cost of a postage stamp?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Nope, because they can't due to Federal Regulation which makes it illegal for them to deliver regular mail.
But assuming that they were allowed to take over the mail (as a lot of Republican leaders want), would they deliver that letter for me, for the cost of a postage stamp?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Initially, probably it would be more expensive, but eventually it wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being cheaper than what the Post Office charges, gets there faster, etc.
Oh found another "unintended" consequence from all the new regulations. I use the term "unintended" loosely because I know darn well it was intentional.
The Beast’s review of regulatory filings found at least 16 utilities covering 6.1 million customers are seeking rate hikes of 5 percent or more. Almost half of those want increases of 10 percent or more.
And several more utilities already have received approval for large increases.
For instance, close to three million customers in parts of Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio, and West Virginia that get their electricity from American Electric Power have seen their rates increase between 48 and 88 percent over the last few years. Those rates are expected to rise an additional 10 to 35 percent in the next three years. The reason? AEP officials are quick to blame environmental regulations that they say are going to cost the company $8 billion in compliance and upgrades.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... rades.html
Well yeah I know part of it is to replace aging systems, that wouldn't cause rates to increase by 48 to 88 percent.
05 Oct 2011, 11:13 am
marshall wrote:
t. I'd say half of MRI's are a pointless waste of money as well, but Americans demand them. The people with expensive insurance policies waste resources, while the people stuck with sh***y insurance get the shaft on treatments they absolutely need.
And you think the government of the United States can fix that? Dream on!
ruveyn
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