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19 Nov 2011, 9:35 pm

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... I used to be religious. I just came to my senses is all...


There it is, we believers must then be delusional if you came to your senses...


shrox man, i'm not an atheist or anything, but it would be best if everyone looked at the picture from all angles. You follow the bible word for word, correct? If you actually read the bible word for word, you will realize that your god encourages and conspires slavery, rape and murder with "his" humans. Do you support these things? None of us here do. So when people call him a "jerk", it's not simply just because we don't believe. There is always reason behind what we say, we are not being asses.

Now, do you want to be like Ragtime and say "Oh since it's god commanding murder and rape, it must be ok"? Or are you better than that?


Read the rest of my posts.

No I don't follow the bible word for word. If there is one thing to know about me, it's that I don't follow the bible word for word.

Perhaps Jesus died for those things too. I believe that it has been Jesus the whole time, from the Creator of the garden, the burning bush, the pillar of fire and smoke, destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the great flood, all Jesus.

I believe that Jesus' death covered all that too. If any one should point to these bad things, well, he was executed, does that fulfill claims of Godly injustice then? If you want to say he is guilty of those things, then the price was paid.

Of course He rose again 3 days later, magnified and quickened.


Ok, it's nice to be original. So what you're saying is you want to only believe certain aspects of the bible, ignore the rest and come up with stuff to believe on your own?
I'm not trying to sound rude or anything, but why do you believe those things? Was there a source to your information? Is there any proof that they happened at all? Coming up with things to believe in from your imagination is, well.... Interesting? Although it's not unusual, as it's what most christians do.



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19 Nov 2011, 9:53 pm

LjosalfrBlot wrote:
shrox wrote:
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shrox wrote:
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... I used to be religious. I just came to my senses is all...


There it is, we believers must then be delusional if you came to your senses...


shrox man, i'm not an atheist or anything, but it would be best if everyone looked at the picture from all angles. You follow the bible word for word, correct? If you actually read the bible word for word, you will realize that your god encourages and conspires slavery, rape and murder with "his" humans. Do you support these things? None of us here do. So when people call him a "jerk", it's not simply just because we don't believe. There is always reason behind what we say, we are not being asses.

Now, do you want to be like Ragtime and say "Oh since it's god commanding murder and rape, it must be ok"? Or are you better than that?


Read the rest of my posts.

No I don't follow the bible word for word. If there is one thing to know about me, it's that I don't follow the bible word for word.

Perhaps Jesus died for those things too. I believe that it has been Jesus the whole time, from the Creator of the garden, the burning bush, the pillar of fire and smoke, destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the great flood, all Jesus.

I believe that Jesus' death covered all that too. If any one should point to these bad things, well, he was executed, does that fulfill claims of Godly injustice then? If you want to say he is guilty of those things, then the price was paid.

Of course He rose again 3 days later, magnified and quickened.


Ok, it's nice to be original. So what you're saying is you want to only believe certain aspects of the bible, ignore the rest and come up with stuff to believe on your own?
I'm not trying to sound rude or anything, but why do you believe those things? Was there a source to your information? Is there any proof that they happened at all? Coming up with things to believe in from your imagination is, well.... Interesting? Although it's not unusual, as it's what most christians do.


You did very well then, considering you weren't trying.


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19 Nov 2011, 10:02 pm

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i might not care ofr his tone but there is a point to be had,

as tim minchin said
"So I resist the urge to ask
Whether knowledge is so loose-weave

When deciding whether to leave
your apartment by the front door
Or a window on the second floor.
"


You lost me there, Oodain. Is Tim Michin a surrealist poet?


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i agree that often people forget the tone they take and the efrfect it has in favor of their own satisfaction
this behavior does say more of the person than the subject, be it religion or relativism.


I'm not the only one who sees it then?


apearantly not :lol:

did that help as far as his beat poem goes?

in essence he says that of course here is objective knowledge or you would be as likely to jump out a window as walk out the door.


Depends what you planet you live on. :P

No, it didn't really help by removing the word storm and bolding bits, but your straightforward interpretation of the gist got through. I'm dreadful at poems, I don't know

There are things we can agree on which I would class as being true enough, true enough for jazz. I can't seem to put my hand through a solid mass, most of us would agree on that. Conventional truths.

I remember an argument I got into once with 'you are are who you is' or something about it once, I'd like to dig that one up. He really couldn't believe how I perceived reality.

If you really wanna nitpick, make a thread! I might play if I've time.


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19 Nov 2011, 11:23 pm

This thread is quite strange.

We have a moderator deciding to redefine words and label their use under any circumstance as 'an attack', we have another moderator saying this forum is exempt from the rules and yet another moderator saying that it isn't.

If the word 'delusional' is now going to be put on a blacklist surely Shrox should be banned first as he was the first person to use it on this thread?

Right here, the fifth post on the thread in case you missed it
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4158924.html#4158924

Here he goes on to compare people airing views he doesn't like to being smothered with a chloroform soaked rag
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4160183.html#4160183

And then here he suggests the forum be renamed 'the coliseum', comparing non violent, non threatening people that disagree with him on the internet to the people that threw christians to the lions for sport as part of a systematic campaign to wipe out christianity by murdering christians.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4164419.html#4164419



Just a little question for the mods who have fielded complaints about PPR, there are people with a wide variety of political, philosophical and religious views here, of those complaints do they seem to disproportionately come from people who are all christians or do you get as many outraged fiscal conservatives complaining of persecution for their views?


Perhaps you should have a read of this
http://in.christiantoday.com/articles/b ... t/6818.htm

In Britain 73% of christians report feeling marginalised and persecuted in Britain. similar research has been done before and since and also in the USA with similar results.

Yup, in Britain where christianity is the official state religion, where christianity is the largest religion and where christian bishops are automatically given seats in the House of Lords. The same nation which has many, many tax-payer funded christian schools and ALL publicly funded schools are required by law to have a daily act of worship, christians feel more persecuted than any other religion, or any ethnic minority, or even homosexuals.

Wow.




Would it be possible to suggest that perhaps some people of a certain faith have a persecution complex?



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20 Nov 2011, 12:00 am

DC wrote:
This thread is quite strange.

ok.

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We have a moderator deciding to redefine words and label their use under any circumstance as 'an attack', we have another moderator saying this forum is exempt from the rules and yet another moderator saying that it isn't.

he said the forum "historically been exempted from such rules (within reason)". that is not to say that it is currently exempt, nor that it would be exempt in future. you can see from his wording that he isn't saying it has ever been completely exempt, but moderators tended to leave it alone unless there were complaints or unless there was a frank rule violation that caught our attention.

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If the word 'delusional' is now going to be put on a blacklist surely Shrox should be banned first as he was the first person to use it on this thread?

Right here, the fifth post on the thread in case you missed it
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4158924.html#4158924

since he was not calling another member delusional or mocking them, i think there is not much to worry about there. i think you can discern the difference between using the word delusional in a sentence and using the word as an attack.

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Here he goes on to compare people airing views he doesn't like to being smothered with a chloroform soaked rag
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4160183.html#4160183

not sure where you are going with that. you'll need to explain what the problem is.

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And then here he suggests the forum be renamed 'the coliseum', comparing non violent, non threatening people that disagree with him on the internet to the people that threw christians to the lions for sport as part of a systematic campaign to wipe out christianity by murdering christians.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4164419.html#4164419

words can be hurtful. that is why we have rules about what you are allowed to say. i do think that if he felt persecuted on the forums he can most likely describe his feelings like this and it would not break any rules. he has a right to feel that way.

interesting that you took more offense to what he said than what the poster immediately following him said. it seems like if you were going to get offended then calling the forum the "Fourth Circle of Hell" would be far more upsetting.

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Just a little question for the mods who have fielded complaints about PPR,

all of us, though we get fewer complaints than we should.

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there are people with a wide variety of political, philosophical and religious views here, of those complaints do they seem to disproportionately come from people who are all christians or do you get as many outraged fiscal conservatives complaining of persecution for their views?

we don't keep a tally, nor do we plan to. for myself, i have never personally fielded a complaint from a christian person being attacked for their beliefs.

if you think fiscal conservatives need protecting, then by all means alert a moderator when they are being attacked.

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Perhaps you should have a read of this
http://in.christiantoday.com/articles/b ... t/6818.htm

In Britain 73% of christians report feeling marginalised and persecuted in Britain. similar research has been done before and since and also in the USA with similar results.

Yup, in Britain where christianity is the official state religion, where christianity is the largest religion and where christian bishops are automatically given seats in the House of Lords. The same nation which has many, many tax-payer funded christian schools and ALL publicly funded schools are required by law to have a daily act of worship, christians feel more persecuted than any other religion, or any ethnic minority, or even homosexuals.

so... they feel persecuted. ok. nothing wrong with that. and it has nothing to do with this forum.

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Would it be possible to suggest that perhaps some people of a certain faith have a persecution complex?

how is that any different from your complaints right now (or in that thread that you started in the WP.net forum after your comments were moderated on another thread)? is that a persecution complex too?



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20 Nov 2011, 12:21 am

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all of us, though we get fewer complaints than we should.


Just had to pull that one out of there. How many complaints should you be getting? Now I know that personally I tend to only fix things that are broken and would see a lack of complaints as a positive signal that a forum is largely working as intended, but that's just my view.


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20 Nov 2011, 12:25 am

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all of us, though we get fewer complaints than we should.


Just had to pull that one out of there. How many complaints should you be getting? Now I know that personally I tend to only fix things that are broken and would see a lack of complaints as a positive signal that a forum is largely working as intended, but that's just my view.

we don't read every thread, so some things get missed. if people reported problems it would be more helpful than having the attacked member get upset and strike back, or worse.... having the person leave the forum.

it's always better to report if you are uncertain, because then the moderators can have a look and either take action or advise you as to why no action was taken. it's not a bother; we are here to help.



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20 Nov 2011, 12:27 am

The PPR is the beesknees


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20 Nov 2011, 12:58 am

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how is that any different from your complaints right now (or in that thread that you started in the WP.net forum after your comments were moderated on another thread)? is that a persecution complex too?


I wasn't complaining either in this thread or the thread I started with the title 'I'm a little confused'. If I was going to complain about something I would use the word compain, not confused.

I thought this was a discussion thread that I was taking part in and not a moderator notice of a change in policy that I was complaining about.

In my thread, I asked for clarification about why that particular thread had been locked and if it was any of my comments that were the cause.

You replied as follows:

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EDIT: on the anti-islam thread i also posted a note that i sent PMs to the people who had crossed a line.


But you didn't send me a PM.

I thought it was reasonable to assume therefore that nothing I had said had been a cause for alarm. I still couldn't distinguish which posts were deemed offensive or why, but oh well.

However now you seem to have changed your mind and you seem to be telling me that it was my comments that were being moderated in that thread.

Do you see why this might be confusing?



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20 Nov 2011, 1:29 am

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I wasn't complaining either in this thread or the thread I started with the title 'I'm a little confused'. If I was going to complain about something I would use the word compain, not confused.

fair enough. this is a clarification of the rules you may find helpful: don't generalise about the members of a religion/cultural group/gender/race/nation/etc and do not personally insult WP members who are in those groups (that includes insinuations).

the thread that i locked did not follow those guidelines.

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I thought this was a discussion thread that I was taking part in and not a moderator notice of a change in policy that I was complaining about.

ok, take out the word complaint. use another word... like discussion. the same would go for the OP, then. no need to imply he (or another christian) suffers from any persecution complex when they are just taking part in a discussion.

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I thought it was reasonable to assume therefore that nothing I had said had been a cause for alarm. I still couldn't distinguish which posts were deemed offensive or why, but oh well.

good point - you was correct about your involvement in the thread. the thread itself was locked and you are right that i didn't send you a PM. you didn't cross a line.



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20 Nov 2011, 5:37 pm

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...Here he goes on to compare people airing views he doesn't like to being smothered with a chloroform soaked rag
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4160183.html#4160183


The chloroform soaked rag is a reference to a bit on Family Guy...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLx9VBfMi0k[/youtube]

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And then here he suggests the forum be renamed 'the coliseum', comparing non violent, non threatening people that disagree with him on the internet to the people that threw christians to the lions for sport as part of a systematic campaign to wipe out christianity by murdering christians.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4164419.html#4164419


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsqJFIJ5lLs[/youtube]


DC wrote:
Perhaps you should have a read of this
http://in.christiantoday.com/articles/b ... t/6818.htm

In Britain 73% of christians report feeling marginalised and persecuted in Britain. similar research has been done before and since and also in the USA with similar results.

Yup, in Britain where christianity is the official state religion, where christianity is the largest religion and where christian bishops are automatically given seats in the House of Lords. The same nation which has many, many tax-payer funded christian schools and ALL publicly funded schools are required by law to have a daily act of worship, christians feel more persecuted than any other religion, or any ethnic minority, or even homosexuals.

Wow.

Would it be possible to suggest that perhaps some people of a certain faith have a persecution complex?


I would not be one of those. I would be more like our beloved gladiator above.

It funny how you can review and cite specific quotes from specific posts, yet fail to see the overall pattern of humor and self deprecation in them.



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21 Nov 2011, 4:54 pm

I am a thread killer!



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21 Nov 2011, 5:20 pm

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I am a thread killer!

The police are on their way.


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21 Nov 2011, 5:22 pm

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I am a thread killer!

The police are on their way.


Oh, I see there is life in the ole girl yet...



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21 Nov 2011, 5:26 pm

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It funny how you can review and cite specific quotes from specific posts, yet fail to see the overall pattern of humor and self deprecation in them.


DC has got you entirely wrong, methinks.


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21 Nov 2011, 5:48 pm

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shrox wrote:

It funny how you can review and cite specific quotes from specific posts, yet fail to see the overall pattern of humor and self deprecation in them.


DC has got you entirely wrong, methinks.


Some of us have Asperger's syndrome...


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