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05 Jun 2012, 1:13 pm

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Umm because bad thing happens when the government just says 'screw you' to the poor and decides to ignore the citizens being in poverty. Most people don't just lay down and die, but if it comes to that I guess I will get to see what anarchy looks like.

Well that's as much generosity as you'll ever get out of me where the public's money is concerned.
Take it or leave it.

Well as you said you're 15, so you have much to learn and your generosity or lack therof probably does not make much difference in the grand scheme of things. Just hope you never have to learn first hand why people disagree with your opinions :lol:

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05 Jun 2012, 1:21 pm

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I hate that there is nothing like real universal healthcare in this country.
I hate that those with are valued more than those without.
I hate that when the have nots complain about my second point, they are accused of class envy.
I hate that science is seen as the enemy.
I hate that ignorance is considered a virtue.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.....
The true essence of liberalism underneath all the feelgoood rhetoric....

And I'm actually supposed to love those things? What am I saying? Of course you think I should!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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05 Jun 2012, 1:26 pm

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Did you read all of my post, or just the first sentence?

I clearly stated:

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Yes, it (taxation) is wrong. Social safety network is fine, just as long as participation is voluntary for both those who pay in and those who receive benefits.

Yes that was my response to that statement. So what do you want to do about it? yell at people who need things like SSI, Food Stamps or subsidized housing for needing those things....or start a petition, protest or become a damn politician anyone who can afford it can do so now. Just saying if it's wrong there are thing you can do to push for the abolition of taxes.

Why would you assume that yelling at people is my solution? To be perfectly honest I don't have a slam-dunk of a solution, and I'm not sure there is one. But I know that making theft legal and renaming it taxation is not the solution.

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05 Jun 2012, 1:26 pm

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Well that's as much generosity as you'll ever get out of me where the public's money is concerned.
Take it or leave it.

I turn 16 tomorrow.

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05 Jun 2012, 1:32 pm

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Did you read all of my post, or just the first sentence?

I clearly stated:

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Yes, it (taxation) is wrong. Social safety network is fine, just as long as participation is voluntary for both those who pay in and those who receive benefits.

Well I kinda figured you didn't have a better solution...and well what do you prefer being taxed or having someone actually break into your house and steal your crap? So taxation is wrong in your mind and so they should just abolish it and hope for the best?

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05 Jun 2012, 1:36 pm

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Well that's as much generosity as you'll ever get out of me where the public's money is concerned.
Take it or leave it.

I turn 16 tomorrow.

Well then get a job..you shouldn't expect your parents to help you anymore and you should be responsible for paying for your own higschool education...I don't really think that of course but that is what the things you've suggested would resemble for someone your age.

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05 Jun 2012, 1:36 pm

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It's only anarchy if the gov't stands aside and lets the thieves plunder.

Why do you believe that the poor can only be taken care of by the gov't?

I never said I believed that, but in this society you kind of need money to survive...if someone does not have money they might need money from the government or help with things like food and shelter.

Where does the gov't get it's money from? Why is the gov't responsible for feeding you?

Because 'charity' apparently does not cut it, if it did then there may not be a problem.

How do you know this? Isn't taxation to pay for entitlements nothing more than forced charity?

Thing is if the government has a policy of 'screw you' towards citizens that are struggling then those citizens have no reason whatsoever to support that government and every reason to rebel against it.

Is not helping someone the same as saying 'screw you' to them? Am I saying 'screw you' to every person with a flat tire that I pass on the freeway when I don't stop?

i wonder what the world would think if the government started mass killing it's own citizens?

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05 Jun 2012, 1:39 pm

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Clearly manors and compassion are leftist concepts and should be discouraged. To hell with all of you if you get in may way I will run you over. I say those things in jest. But once again let me quote Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"

Compassion and $3.67 will buy you a medium coffee and an old fashioned dough nut at the local dough nut shop.
ruveyn

if one is short of compassion, then it may be overlooked, and the coffee and doughnut may still be obtained, yet if one has a full purse of compassion but is short by just $0.01 , then the goods will not be released.

...for the dough nut shop owners kids cannot eat compassion,

i am not able to comprehend accurately what you are trying to say.
i think you missed a comma.

anyway, they can also not eat cash. i do not think that the words "dough" and "nut" should be separate as well.

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05 Jun 2012, 1:40 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:

Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.....
The true essence of liberalism underneath all the feelgoood rhetoric....

And I'm actually supposed to love those things? What am I saying? Of course you think I should!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

So where's all this tolerance you all are always accusing us of not having?
I'm not seeing much of that in "I hate" over and over...

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05 Jun 2012, 1:41 pm

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It's only anarchy if the gov't stands aside and lets the thieves plunder.

Why do you believe that the poor can only be taken care of by the gov't?

-the government should get its money from taxes, and since the government is kind of in charge of keeping the country running it is kind of their job to have programs in place to help those in poverty.

-I think humans are entitled to basic things like food, water, access to healthcare treatment and shelter to suggest those are priveliges only for those who can afford it is disgusting to me. Disagree if you want my perspective on that wont be changing though.

-And yes if the government refuses to help its citizens when those citizens are in need of their assistance, that is like saying 'screw you.' what the hell do we have a government for if its not supposed to have any responsibility towards it's citizens? Might as well overthrow it at that point.

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05 Jun 2012, 1:43 pm

Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.....
The true essence of liberalism underneath all the feelgoood rhetoric....

And I'm actually supposed to love those things? What am I saying? Of course you think I should!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

So where's all this tolerance you all are always accusing us of not having?
I'm not seeing much of that in "I hate" over and over...

So it should read

I love that those with are valued more than those without.
I love that when the have nots complain about my second point, they are accused of class envy.
I love that science is seen as the enemy.
I love that ignorance is considered a virtue.

there is that a little kinder on your eyes.

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05 Jun 2012, 1:43 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

JWC wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

JWC wrote:

Did you read all of my post, or just the first sentence?

I clearly stated:

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Yes, it (taxation) is wrong. Social safety network is fine, just as long as participation is voluntary for both those who pay in and those who receive benefits.

I am more than prepared for someone to make the mistake of attempting to enter my home without my permission. It's my crap, paying thieves not to steal it is blackmail.

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05 Jun 2012, 1:49 pm

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I am more than prepared for someone to make the mistake of attempting to enter my home without my permission. It's my crap, paying thieves not to steal it is blackmail.

Just saying what do you prefer? and wow so now if someone needs help and they only way to get that help is through the government they themselves are a thief? even if I agreed that taxation was the same as theiving I'd veiw the government as the theives...not the people in poverty who don't really have anywhere else to turn but the social safety network that some of the tax money goes towards.

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05 Jun 2012, 1:54 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.....
The true essence of liberalism underneath all the feelgoood rhetoric....

And I'm actually supposed to love those things? What am I saying? Of course you think I should!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

So where's all this tolerance you all are always accusing us of not having?
I'm not seeing much of that in "I hate" over and over...

I knew you'd catch on.

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05 Jun 2012, 1:55 pm

My relatives tell me not to give a bum a bottle of water.

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05 Jun 2012, 1:58 pm

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-the government should get its money from taxes, and since the government is kind of in charge of keeping the country running it is kind of their job to have programs in place to help those in poverty.

Where do the taxes come from?

-I think humans are entitled to basic things like food, water, access to healthcare treatment and shelter to suggest those are priveliges only for those who can afford it is disgusting to me. Disagree if you want my perspective on that wont be changing though.

Isn't it slavery to force some one to work without compensation? Where are all of those entitlements supposed to come from, and who is supposed to supply them without expecting to be compensated?

-And yes if the government refuses to help its citizens when those citizens are in need of their assistance, that is like saying 'screw you.' what the hell do we have a government for if its not supposed to have any responsibility towards it's citizens? Might as well overthrow it at that point.

A government cannot provide what it does not have. Stealing from A to give to B, is nothing more than pretending to have something that it really doesn't. The only thing a gov't can do is protect the rights of its citizens. It cannot perform any other role without violating said rights itself. There is no such thing as the right to violate the rights of another.

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