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Ronald Reagan was a:
Hero! 25%  25%  [ 14 ]
Villain! 53%  53%  [ 29 ]
Meh, I don't know. Just show the results. 22%  22%  [ 12 ]
Total votes : 55

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16 Jun 2012, 1:01 pm

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20 percent was actually the prime rate.


During RWR's administration home loans of 7% were common.

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16 Jun 2012, 1:03 pm

That was later in his regime. When Reagan first became president home loans were unaffordable and the construction industry was destroyed.



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16 Jun 2012, 1:04 pm

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That was later in his regime. When Reagan first became president home loans were unaffordable and the construction industry was destroyed.


It took a while to undo Carter's miserable effects.

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16 Jun 2012, 1:23 pm

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When Jimmy Carter was president I could get a job.

Same here, that was in fact the time in my life when jobs were easiest to find. Rents were low too.



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16 Jun 2012, 2:46 pm

Say what you will about Carter, but at least he was probably the most honest man we've ever had in the White House.

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16 Jun 2012, 11:41 pm

People don't like Carter because they had to pay a buck a gallon for gasoline.



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17 Jun 2012, 7:54 am

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People don't like Carter because they had to pay a buck a gallon for gasoline.


He was also a schmuck. The 400 day "Hostage Crisis" forever sealed him in the Book of Losers.

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17 Jun 2012, 8:19 am

ruveyn wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
People don't like Carter because they had to pay a buck a gallon for gasoline.


He was also a schmuck. The 400 day "Hostage Crisis" forever sealed him in the Book of Losers.

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If I remember correctly, it was Reagan's team who coincided their release to occur on his inauguration day.



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17 Jun 2012, 8:53 am

ruveyn wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
People don't like Carter because they had to pay a buck a gallon for gasoline.


He was also a schmuck. The 400 day "Hostage Crisis" forever sealed him in the Book of Losers.

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He ordered a rescue and it failed. That's primarily on the special forces operators and bad luck. Most Presidents would have ordered the rescue and waited for the outcome. No difference. A handful of soldiers died in the raid. Regan lost ~400 marines through misguided foreign policy. Bush 41 ~200 total. Clinton ~20 total. Bush Jr ~5,000 total

Carter simply didnt have enough time in four years to equal the idiocy of some other modern Presidents. The 70s were no Shangri-la at any point so it's not like Carter ruined them. I mean really did he besmirch the Ford and Nixon legacy?



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17 Jun 2012, 9:23 am

President Reagan was an unfortunate consequence of the hostage crisis, which dominated television news for more than a year.

Voter reaction was basically: "Okay, fine. Enough of this Human Rights nonsense. We'll give you a president whom you really can hate."

And, that is indeed what happened.



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17 Jun 2012, 9:37 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
People don't like Carter because they had to pay a buck a gallon for gasoline.


He was also a schmuck. The 400 day "Hostage Crisis" forever sealed him in the Book of Losers.

ruveyn


If I remember correctly, it was Reagan's team who coincided their release to occur on his inauguration day.


This is a long standing conspiracy theory that could be true but the evidence is pretty spotty. Bush was a former CIA chief so a connection seems possible. And we did eventually sell arms to Iran through back channels.



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17 Jun 2012, 12:52 pm

After Reagan fired the air traffic controllers, firing became a virtue of the power of management and working things out with problem employees became a sign of weakness.



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17 Jun 2012, 1:18 pm

simon_says wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
People don't like Carter because they had to pay a buck a gallon for gasoline.


He was also a schmuck. The 400 day "Hostage Crisis" forever sealed him in the Book of Losers.

ruveyn


If I remember correctly, it was Reagan's team who coincided their release to occur on his inauguration day.


This is a long standing conspiracy theory that could be true but the evidence is pretty spotty. Bush was a former CIA chief so a connection seems possible. And we did eventually sell arms to Iran through back channels.


None of which explains or excuses the Peanut Farmer's incompetence or ineptitude.

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17 Jun 2012, 1:48 pm

simon_says wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
People don't like Carter because they had to pay a buck a gallon for gasoline.


He was also a schmuck. The 400 day "Hostage Crisis" forever sealed him in the Book of Losers.

ruveyn


If I remember correctly, it was Reagan's team who coincided their release to occur on his inauguration day.


This is a long standing conspiracy theory that could be true but the evidence is pretty spotty. Bush was a former CIA chief so a connection seems possible. And we did eventually sell arms to Iran through back channels.


It was confirmed, however, that Ronald Reagan did trade arms with Iran in exchange for the release of seven American hostages held by Iranian-sponsored militants in Lebanon. Profits from arms sales to Iran were to be used to buy weapons for Mr. Reagan's mercenary army fighting the Nicaraguan government.

Timing the release of the embassy hostages to coincide with Reagan's inauguration--now THAT was a class act.



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17 Jun 2012, 2:04 pm

Some details

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_cr ... -clips.htm

If the American Embassy hostages had been released in October, 1980, this would have given Jimmy Carter a greater chance of winning re-election. Officials in Ronald Reagan's presidential campaign, including future CIA Director, William Casey, made a secret deal with Iran to delay the release of the American hostages until after the election. In return, the United States arranged for Israel to ship weapons to Iran.



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17 Jun 2012, 2:06 pm

More details

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/15/opini ... tml?src=pm