The Westboro Baptist Church and other Bible Thumpers

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I have a brother-in-law who is just about as gay as gay can be. Him having coitus with an actual woman would be among the most unnatural sex acts that I can think of. He is that gay.

He is Catholic, so there is a possibility of Catholic idol-worship having caused him to become gay, but I highly doubt it.

Has anyone ever done a scientific study, to examine whether homosexuality is more common among idol-worshippers than among non-idol-worshippers? If a link can actually be established, then I think that this would lend some credence to your interpretation of Romans 1.

I wonder if "boiling a calf..." isn't some kind of ancient colloquialism that just got lost over the centuries. Like "don't muzzle an ox while it treads the grain," meaning let your servant or slave enjoy the fruits of his labor. The passages where that appears don't seem to have any obvious connection with preceding material like "don't muzzle an ox." It's just one of those things that will keep us guessing. But I'm not going to beat myself up over mixing meat and dairy. When I prepare a cheeseburger, I'm not boiling any meat.

I read somewhere that they Yiddish word for "fat" is "healthy."

I'm also trying to limit myself to leaner meats as well. If fat truly belongs to the Lord, then He must really love me right now. Catfish is ceremonially unclean, too, though, because it doesn't have scales.

After I've completely eliminated those things from my diet, I'm going to get rid of all red meat. After that I'm going strict vegetarian. I may consider a fast after that, completely withdrawing from all food and drinking nothing but water for a while. After I'm done with fasting, I'll try to start completely over acquiring radically different eating habits. I think it will be easier to do if I'm already used to abstaining from certain things. I already fast once a week anyway and am considering going to twice weekly on that.

I really do love reading the OT even if I'm not bound by it like Jews are. The few Jews I've spoken to about these kinds of changes (in ordinary life, not for the changes I'm wanting to make) have told me not to imitate that lifestyle. Christian Jews especially seem to feel strongly about it. For them, keeping their traditions serve a dual purpose of reminding them of who they are and where they come from and for the way in which Jesus is especially significant for them. Their view is that Gentiles have their own place in the world and shouldn't be anything but themselves with their own traditions. That Gentiles accept Christ is enough for us.

But I just can't deny the wisdom of the OT. So I figured if I'm going to make permanent changes in my daily habits, especially unhealthy eating choices, using the OT dietary restrictions as a starting point can't be a bad idea. I realize there are some things I'm unable to do, but all we can do is the best we can.

Worshipping idols leads to homosexuality? How is there even a serious debate over this kind of stuff?

Something that Paul wrote could be interpretted that way. And, of course, some people will believe absolutely anything that the Bible appears to be hinting at.

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Don't know, don't care. Maybe try thinking about something other than your own "struggle", like think about famine, or drought. Then think how fortunate you are.

This would seem to be a more appropriate fixation for a Christian than how abominable homosexuals are.

It's for anyone.

I have a photo that I don't look at, it's of a vulture waiting for an emaciated child by the side of the road to die. Just knowing that's real, I don't worry about mine or anyone else's "struggle" much after that.

The best argument against the far right is the far right.

Uhh, no. I'm not going to stop worrying about my own problems simply because I'm not the most unfortunate person in the world.

Yes, but you don't have to focus on them, unless you're on fire something.

It's also a more appropriate fixation for someone than why Bible-believing Christian think homosexuality is a sin.

I remember a friend that told us every Friday night about his romp with some random "girl". Well, we knew he was gay, and one night I told him to just stop lying, we know you mean guys, and you're still the same friend you were ten seconds ago. He almost cried, saying he felt so relieved that he did not feel he had to lie to us anymore.

I believe he has passed on now.

Passed on? Sorry to hear...

The homosexuality fixation is more a fixation of WBC-style fanatics. Saying that we believe something is morally wrong is one thing, but I think it appears to be a fixation because heterophobes just keep bringing it up. If you don't like the Bible, move on and leave us alone.

At this point in my life I'm very happily married with three children, all 5 and under. I'm so busy not having sex with my wife that I'm certainly too busy to have sex with men. I just don't have time to be gay, even if I wanted to be.

You know, come to think about it, that really does feel better getting that off my chest. Time for some wild, crazy action spooning with my wife before she has to nurse our 3-month-old. Compensating for not being gay is starting to take a toll on me.

Lucky man...

Not focusing on your problems is a good way to ensure they'll never be solved.



Proposition 8 in the US was only a few years ago and you're wondering why people are annoyed?