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05 Aug 2012, 11:29 pm

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The violent incident in Wisconsin today is further evidence of the rednecking of America.

Yeah, and a man killed three relatives with a knife here the other week. It's further evidence that Oz is turning into Feudal Japan.

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06 Aug 2012, 12:28 am

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how so? all those guys had legal guns perhaps if they had a harder time obtaining them the events would not have happened.

maybe I don't understand your logic.

He's not talking about the legality of the weapons, but the fact that all three shootings occurred in "gun free zones" where the shooters were guaranteed of an unarmed group of targets. The point is that the law abiding types saw the "no guns allowed" signs and disarmed themselves, only to be left defenseless when an actual criminal simply ignored the sign. It kinda fit into the "murder is already illegal" area of argumentation, when people want to pass new sets of laws making certain crimes "double extra illegal", ignoring the fact that someone bent on a major crime is unlikely to worry too much about the weapon laws the might be violating in doing so.

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06 Aug 2012, 12:59 am

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Last I heard the shooter hadn’t been identified as a redneck but I guess you’re just throwing that up there to see if it sticks. Gotta milk the emotional surge for all it’s worth, eh?

Nope, my views do not revolve around you. Because I disagree with you does not mean that I am trying to making something stick. I simply view the world differently than you do.

By the "rednecking of America," I mean the American fetish of guns and violence.

However, there have been reports that the killer was a skinhead and a white supremacist. I assume that this information will be either validated or debunked in the coming hours.

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06 Aug 2012, 1:00 am

It would be like this!! [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4XWlroqZYg&feature=related[/youtube]

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06 Aug 2012, 1:09 am

And here it is:

7 Dead at Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, Wis.; Officials Believe 'White Supremacist' Behind 'Domestic Terrorism'

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06 Aug 2012, 1:40 am

nominalist wrote:

And here it is:

7 Dead at Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, Wis.; Officials Believe 'White Supremacist' Behind 'Domestic Terrorism'

Even if he got the guns legally that doesn't mean there is any grounds for new restrictions.

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06 Aug 2012, 2:58 am

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Even if he got the guns legally that doesn't mean there is any grounds for new restrictions.

My own conscience tells me otherwise.

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06 Aug 2012, 3:25 am

nominalist wrote:

My own conscience tells me otherwise.

My conscience tells me a lot of things, but following through with them would land me in a lot of trouble.
Don't always listen to what your instincts tell you. Acknowledge, but don't always follow.

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06 Aug 2012, 4:48 am

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Really letting me get to you, aren’t ya?

Confirmed for troll? You know, it doesn't take agitation to take a jab at someone you think is acting a fool.

If I'm lucky, I'll have been able to use you as a hook to get this guy to debate me. Playing the DA is a great way to refine one's arguments (or even change one's views!).

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06 Aug 2012, 8:56 am

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He's not talking about the legality of the weapons, but the fact that all three shootings occurred in "gun free zones"

It happened in US, not in gun free zones at all. There was no control at all, so how did it become gun free? By small tag on the wall? :lol:

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06 Aug 2012, 9:27 am

Perhaps if there would be more armed people, the killcount would have been lower.

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06 Aug 2012, 9:35 am

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He's not talking about the legality of the weapons, but the fact that all three shootings occurred in "gun free zones"

It happened in US, not in gun free zones at all. There was no control at all, so how did it become gun free? By small tag on the wall? :lol:

In effect, a gun ban of any kind is nothing more than a tag on the wall.

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06 Aug 2012, 9:55 am

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Perhaps if there would be more armed people, the killcount would have been lower.

It would have likely prevented it from happening in the first place.
An armed society is a polite society.

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06 Aug 2012, 11:55 am

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In effect, a gun ban of any kind is nothing more than a tag on the wall.

It depends. I do not understand US foreign policy then. Why don't you donate few A&H bomb to Iran, DPRK or any other a**hole who want's them? And make the world more polite? :wink:

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06 Aug 2012, 12:21 pm

aSKperger wrote:

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In effect, a gun ban of any kind is nothing more than a tag on the wall.

It depends. I do not understand US foreign policy then. Why don't you donate few A&H bomb to Iran, DPRK or any other a**hole who want's them? And make the world more polite? :wink:

Believe me, there are plenty of people pushing for that! :wink:

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06 Aug 2012, 3:11 pm

I know. But I don't mean intelligence games, that's to safe. Gun freedom! Let's make world better place by another arming. Who cares it always failed.

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