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03 Dec 2012, 5:34 pm

what is the point of that latest post, except acting condescending?

please enlighten me.


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03 Dec 2012, 5:41 pm

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You're leaving already? Does this mean I get to pass the bridge for free?


Trolling, trolling, trolling, get those discussions going

Take a deep breath breath


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And finally, the troll shows its true colours.

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Why do you have a guilty conscience when you talk to me? I'm not naming names or anything like that. You call me a troll because I engage you in discussion. What do you have to feel guilty about? I have done nothing but type words and post them. I don't have anything against you. I'm not trying to threaten you or anything like that. Whats wrong with a friendly discussion?

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03 Dec 2012, 5:44 pm

blatant straw man,

how about you actually adress some the material above instead of hinging on silly logic loops and logical fallacies.


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03 Dec 2012, 5:44 pm

Sigh.

I see the thread has gone even further downhill now.


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03 Dec 2012, 5:47 pm

NAKnight wrote:
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You're leaving already? Does this mean I get to pass the bridge for free?


Trolling, trolling, trolling, get those discussions going

Take a deep breath breath


Best Regards,

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And finally, the troll shows its true colours.

Now the good posters on WP actually providing content can safely ignore you permanently without feeling guilty.



Why do you have a guilty conscience when you talk to me? I'm not naming names or anything like that. You call me a troll because I engage you in discussion. What do you have to feel guilty about? I have done nothing but type words and post them. I don't have anything against you. I'm not trying to threaten you or anything like that. Whats wrong with a friendly discussion?

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Ok, I admit it. *I* stole you favourite spot under the bridge. It was a speculative land grab, as I planned on selling it to ArrantPariah as a vacation resort...



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03 Dec 2012, 5:49 pm

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Ok, I admit it. *I* stole you favourite spot under the bridge. It was a speculative land grab, as I planned on selling it to ArrantPariah as a vacation resort...


I'm leaving, this isn't a discussion anymore. Adios.

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03 Dec 2012, 5:49 pm

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why are you trying to get to the root cause and do you think that it is a common cause?

who says he is debating you as an atheist, again i tink you fix a value to atheism that isnt there, it is a lack of another value that is atheism, not a distinct value in itself.


I'm trying to get to the root cause because maybe I would like to help! People don't just wake up and say "Gee I'm going to be an Atheist today" I know that for certain. There is an underlying cause. If they don't want to say then I don't mind.

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My root cause was twofold:

I read the bible, I talked to my priest. I couldn't reconcile what I read with the idea of an all loving god. I talked to my priest about that, he had no explanation other than "god works in mysterious ways."

realising what I was dealing with, I told him to shove it and went off to do my own thing. I was a non-denomination Christian for a little while, eventually I found I could no longer reconcile the christian god with reality. I researched Deism, but I couldn;t find any[/]i evidence supporting the existence of [i]any creator. Hence, I became an Atheist.

Simple stuff, really.


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03 Dec 2012, 6:07 pm

In an attempt to turn this thread back around:

The key factors that led me to atheism were contradictory education as a kid. I was taught in one class-room that the Christian god created everything and the bible was true. We were also forced to give worship to this god in morning assemblies. However, in a different classroom we were taught about evolution and how life evolved over millions of years. OK call me pedantic, but both could not be correct! :lol: To me it seemed extremely important to know which (if either) was correct. After lots more science eduction at university and my own research evolution won hands down. That raised lots more questions about the reliability of the bible or even if the Christian god actually existed anyway. After 52 years I've accumulated a massive amount of facts and knowledge and it is clear to me that the Christian god is no more real than the Viking god Thor or the gods of any other civilisation past or present. On the other hand science is doing a damn good job of unravelling the nature of life and the universe. Notions of gods are just fiction, no more real than unicorns or fairies at the bottom of the garden.


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04 Dec 2012, 12:06 pm

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And finally, the troll shows its true colours.
Now the good posters on WP actually providing content can safely ignore you permanently without feeling guilty.


I would like to investigate why you feel guilty.


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04 Dec 2012, 12:58 pm

NAKnight wrote:
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And finally, the troll shows its true colours.
Now the good posters on WP actually providing content can safely ignore you permanently without feeling guilty.


I would like to investigate why you feel guilty.


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please explain why he should feel guilty?

it is an assumption that you cant possible know anything about.


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04 Dec 2012, 1:03 pm

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! :lol: To me it seemed extremely important to know which (if either) was correct. After lots more science eduction at university and my own research evolution won hands down.


Seems to me you just picked a side that you agreed with. After you said you want to know which side was correct. You picked science and didn't consider creation from what I can infer from your own words. As a person who is familiar with the scientific method, I would consider both sides then deduce a conclusion from them. You also portray "Christianity" as an oppressor. You use the word "Force" as if you didn't have a choice. You had a choice all along, you just picked a side that you agreed with.

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After 52 years I've accumulated a massive amount of facts and knowledge and it is clear to me that the Christian god is no more real than the Viking god Thor or the gods of any other civilisation past or present.


I would like to see those facts, is it possible for you to send it to me in an email?

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04 Dec 2012, 1:07 pm

Oodain wrote:
NAKnight wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
And finally, the troll shows its true colours.
Now the good posters on WP actually providing content can safely ignore you permanently without feeling guilty.


I would like to investigate why you feel guilty.


Best Regards,

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please explain why he should feel guilty?

it is an assumption that you cant possible know anything about.



I'm asking him
I have no reason to make him feel guilty that is his own doing and his own words.
If he feels guilty about he should confront himself and overcome it.

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04 Dec 2012, 1:10 pm

NAKnight wrote:
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After 52 years I've accumulated a massive amount of facts and knowledge and it is clear to me that the Christian god is no more real than the Viking god Thor or the gods of any other civilisation past or present.


I would like to see those facts, is it possible for you to send it to me in an email?


You want a university science education and 52 years worth of facts and knowledge in an email? :lol: Sorry, go do your own research if you really are that interested. After your post in the Random forum regarding atheism I can't take you seriously any more. I think you are only here to troll; nothing more. Bye!


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04 Dec 2012, 1:12 pm

TallyMan wrote:
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After 52 years I've accumulated a massive amount of facts and knowledge and it is clear to me that the Christian god is no more real than the Viking god Thor or the gods of any other civilisation past or present.


I would like to see those facts, is it possible for you to send it to me in an email?


You want a university science education and 52 years worth of facts and knowledge in an email? :lol: Sorry, go do your own research if you really are that interested. After your post in the Random forum regarding atheism I can't take you seriously any more. I think you are only here to troll; nothing more. Bye!


So if challenging your values and beliefs is the definition of a troll I guess agreeing with you would make me not a troll, right?
I mean it's an open forum. I would consider you to do a little more soul searching. I don't object to you being an atheist, by all means. I just want to know why and how you believe it to be so and stand up for it. All I see is a person who is looking for answers and meaning.


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04 Dec 2012, 1:19 pm

This post taken from the Unpopular beliefs thread in the Random forum:

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Here it Goes!

-Atheism, not necessarily Atheist themselves, is the effect of a negative lifestyle either self-inflicted or by environmental factors
-Atheist are not intellectually superior, no matter how much they claim to be.
-Atheist are not all bad
-Atheists values are subjective and can change at any moment, providing a void in moral stability.
-Atheists pick and choose facts they agree with without considering all sides of the issue.
- Atheism does not play by it's own rules.
- There are many things Science cannot fully explain
- Everyone has a value system whether they claim to or not which is the basis to what they believe.
-Calling others Delusional is poor PR for the Atheist community.
- Just because it is not empirically measurable does not make it true or non-existent.
- Atheist should consider thinking about how their logic of "Creating my own values" creates a moral and logical vacuum in the case of moral relativity when their value system in and of itself is morally objective.

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Based on the above you appear to have already made up your mind about atheism, with some bizarre conclusions. I see no point prolonging a conversation with you as you appear to have understood nothing said to you (by anyone!). My time is limited and I've wasted too much of it on you already. This is my final post on the subject in this thread.


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04 Dec 2012, 1:37 pm

That post was in the unpopular opinion for a reason....... it's unpopular
The General Consensus is Atheism because mostly everyone agrees it be so.
I did my duty and stood up to the established way of thinking and challenged you and others who believe that to be so.

My thoughts are valid, and it's posted in the opinion forum.... keyword: opinion my bases are covered.

Might as well close the thread now.


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