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01 Dec 2012, 12:02 am

LKL wrote:
No. Marriage is not required to be a good person.




And being a good person is not required for getting married. Believe-it-or-not.



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01 Dec 2012, 12:03 am

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In the words of a iFriend of mine, "not gonna lie-guitar players make the panties drop".


You know what, oddly enough, works almost as well as actually playing the guitar? Admitting that you're only carrying it around to meet chicks.

Seriously, this is what happens

"Oh, you play the guitar?"
"No, just holding one so you'd come up and talk to me."
"Oh you! You're so funny and confident. Help yourself to some vagina."

Okay, that's a little bit of an exaggeration.

But it does illustrate the point I'm getting to, which is; most "nice guys" real issue is that they don't express interest in ways that women will respond to. Like they're terrified to admit to the women they talk to that their interest is romantic/sexual in nature. Instead, they dance around it hoping that, if they can just find ways to be nice enough to a girl, she'll finally notice them in that way. But women don't work that way. They've been, just as guys have, trained to believe that it's the man's job to express interest first, and that a man who doesn't isn't interested. They won't see a guy as a potential romantic/sexual partner unless he actually presents himself in that way.

Learning how to do that without frightening them off is a whole other thing though.

Edit: rather than saying that all women expect x, I should say most women seem to have that expectation. It seems dumb, but those little qualifiers are important in discussions like this.



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01 Dec 2012, 12:09 am

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Most aspie women, like aspie men, care less about clothes and makeup and more about study.

Yep,I wear fuzzy multi colored leopard print P.J.s bottoms ,T-shirt,flannel shirt that does not match P.J.bottoms,dinosaur feet house shoes,black socks with hot pink hearts on them,no make-up,hair in a disheveled bun, and reading glasses.I make Napoleon Dynamite look like a G.Q. cover.
One time when I did wear make-up and dressed real nice for a friends party one of the neighbors told me "You sure do clean up nice."I've yet to figure out if I should be P.O.d about that or not.
I just want to be comfortable when I read.I don't have much company so I have invested heavily in soft fleece P.J.s and shirts.I wear them all the time.Ahhhhhhhh softness.



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01 Dec 2012, 12:13 am

AspieRogue wrote:
LKL wrote:
No. Marriage is not required to be a good person.

And being a good person is not required for getting married. Believe-it-or-not.

And getting a divorce does not require either party to have been a bad person.



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01 Dec 2012, 7:20 am

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I think that there will be enough men left who want real relationships to make partners for the women who want real relationships.

Don't hold your breath.


You sound like you're as down on men as radical feminists are.


I just strive to be somewhat realistic.


That's what all the most rabidly cynical people say.


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01 Dec 2012, 9:10 am

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That's what all the most rabidly cynical people say.


Rabidly Cynical is just a synonym for somewhat realistic.



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01 Dec 2012, 9:11 am

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And getting a divorce does not require either party to have been a bad person.


It does help, though. :wink:



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01 Dec 2012, 9:21 am

Sweden does seem to be a rather special place for feminism

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMmgVjx7s7M[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yta55u2zP2U&list=PL849AE3DE16F1A1E2[/youtube]


Back in the olden days, Swedish girls were reputed to be the most sexually liberated and voluptuous tomatoes on the planet. Now, they're at the complete opposite end of the spectrum.

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During my upbringing, I came to see feminist ideas as the "official" truth, since all authorities and the media seemed to subscribe to it. I tried most my life to live up to the image of what a "good alternative/progressive guy" was supposed to be...

And it turned out it was all for nothing. Not even the girls/women I had admired as role models seemed to like the allaround nice guy I tried to be, the one they'd said they wanted me to be.

So...in short. I looked up to/admired feminists/women, I took everything they said as truth, and THOSE B'TCHES LIED TO ME!! !

I simply can't let it go. It's lika a christian upbringing, you can distance yourself from the religion, but the values are still kinda ingrained in you....


It looks like Swedish women don't like men at all, and your only chance would be to transgender yourself completely, and to complain loudy about creatures that still had their testicles and penises, if you wanted a Swedish female companion.



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01 Dec 2012, 9:45 am

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I long for the day when realistic, androids with perfect bodies and features are developed, and all of the men who want nothing but a 'nubile young body' can buy an animatronic doll and leave the human women alone. She will cook, clean, take care of your mother, and get you off on three orifices (and any more that you care to install).

That's what women are for. :wink:

No. That's what brainless bodies are for. That's my point.


It looks like you may be on to something. I thought that you were just being facetious.

Here is a book on the subject.

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr= ... 4QUnNRZcfw

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ouohxu3HqHE[/youtube]

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My forecast is that around 2050, the state of Massachusetts will be the first jurisdiction to legalize marriages with robots," artificial intelligence researcher David Levy at the University of Maastricht in the Netherlands told LiveScience. Levy recently completed his Ph.D. work on the subject of human-robot relationships, covering many of the privileges and practices that generally come with marriage as well as outside of it.

At first, sex with robots might be considered geeky, "but once you have a story like 'I had sex with a robot, and it was great!' appear someplace like Cosmo magazine, I'd expect many people to jump on the bandwagon," Levy said.

Pygmalion to Roomba

The idea of romance between humanity and our artistic and/or mechanical creations dates back to ancient times, with the Greek myth of the sculptor Pygmalion falling in love with the ivory statue he made named Galatea, to which the goddess Venus eventually granted life.

This notion persists in modern times. Not only has science fiction explored this idea, but 40 years ago, scientists noticed that students at times became unusually attracted to ELIZA, a computer program designed to ask questions and mimic a psychotherapist.

"There's a trend of robots becoming more human-like in appearance and coming more in contact with humans," Levy said. "At first robots were used impersonally, in factories where they helped build automobiles, for instance. Then they were used in offices to deliver mail, or to show visitors around museums, or in homes as vacuum cleaners, such as with the Roomba. Now you have robot toys, like Sony's Aibo robot dog, or Tickle Me Elmos, or digital pets like Tamagotchis."

In his thesis, "Intimate Relationships with Artificial Partners," Levy conjectures that robots will become so human-like in appearance, function and personality that many people will fall in love with them, have sex with them and even marry them.

"It may sound a little weird, but it isn't," Levy said. "Love and sex with robots are inevitable."

Sex in 5 years

Levy argues that psychologists have identified roughly a dozen basic reasons why people fall in love, "and almost all of them could apply to human-robot relationships. For instance, one thing that prompts people to fall in love are similarities in personality and knowledge, and all of this is programmable. Another reason people are more likely to fall in love is if they know the other person likes them, and that's programmable too."

In 2006, Henrik Christensen, founder of the European Robotics Research Network, predicted that people will be having sex with robots within five years, and Levy thinks that's quite likely. There are companies that already sell realistic sex dolls, "and it's just a matter of adding some electronics to them to add some vibration," he said, or endowing the robots with a few audio responses. "That's fairly primitive in terms of robotics, but the technology is already there."

As software becomes more advanced and the relationship between humans and robots becomes more personal, marriage could result. "One hundred years ago, interracial marriage and same-sex marriages were illegal in the United States. Interracial marriage has been legal now for 50 years, and same-sex marriage is legal in some parts of the states," Levy said. "There has been this trend in marriage where each partner gets to make their own choice of who they want to be with."

"The question is not if this will happen, but when," Levy said. "I am convinced the answer is much earlier than you think."

When and where it'll happen

Levy predicts Massachusetts will be the first jurisdiction to legalize human-robot marriage. "Massachusetts is more liberal than most other jurisdictions in the United States and has been at the forefront of same-sex marriage," Levy said. "There's also a lot of high-tech research there at places like MIT."

Although roboticist Ronald Arkin at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta does not think human-robot marriages will be legal anywhere by 2050, "anything's possible. And just because it's not legal doesn't mean people won't try it," he told LiveScience.

"Humans are very unusual creatures," Arkin said. "If you ask me if every human will want to marry a robot, my answer is probably not. But will there be a subset of people? There are people ready right now to marry sex toys."

The main benefit of human-robot marriage could be to make people who otherwise could not get married happier, "people who find it hard to form relationships, because they are extremely shy, or have psychological problems, or are just plain ugly or have unpleasant personalities," Levy said. "Of course, such people who completely give up the idea of forming relationships with other people are going to be few and far between, but they will be out there."


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_2h0-h9M0I[/youtube]

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Scientists in New Zealand say brothels staffed by robot prostitutes could be a reality by 2050. In the paper Robots, Men And Sex Tourism, Ian Yeoman and Michelle Mars of the Victoria Management School in Wellington imagine a world in which sex tourism has become respectable and human trafficking and the spread of STDs stemmed by replacing human prostitutes with lifelike sex robots.

Made with bacteria-resistant materials, these robots will ensure safe sex and may be seen as a more ethical way of hiring a prostitute. Although prostitutes themselves may not be keen on the developing technology, researchers believe robot sex workers can bring a level of respectability to the prostitution game.

The paper describes a fictitious brothel in Amsterdam called Yub-Yum where, for a little more than $8,000 (£6,200), visitors are "guaranteed a wonderful and thrilling experience as all the androids are programmed to perform every service and satisfy every desire."


As the video mentions, increasing use of robots will reduce demand for labour, and possibly push some human executive ejaculatory administrators out of the profession.



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01 Dec 2012, 10:31 am

I'd love for sex robots to become common place, but I think that their will always be men who will pay real women for sex. That's because some of the johns get off on the whole power play of paying for sex. What about the guys who beat up or rape prostitutes? You won't find it as satisfying to to do that to a robot.



01 Dec 2012, 10:38 am

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I'd love for sex robots to become common place, but I think that their will always be men who will pay real women for sex. That's because some of the johns get off on the whole power play of paying for sex. What about the guys who beat up or rape prostitutes? You won't find it as satisfying to to do that to a robot.



It seems to me that no matter how life-like robots might be, women will never be willing to have sex with them because a robot can't get a woman pregnant.



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01 Dec 2012, 10:43 am

^^^^^^^^^That seems like a bonus to me.Not every woman wants to be knocked up.And they could always go to a sperm bank.



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01 Dec 2012, 10:46 am

AspieRogue wrote:
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I'd love for sex robots to become common place, but I think that their will always be men who will pay real women for sex. That's because some of the johns get off on the whole power play of paying for sex. What about the guys who beat up or rape prostitutes? You won't find it as satisfying to to do that to a robot.



It seems to me that no matter how life-like robots might be, women will never be willing to have sex with them because a robot can't get a woman pregnant.


I think you're right about women not having sex with robots, but the reason I don't think they will have sex with them is because they are robots. Some women have sex with men to prove that they are attractive to men, whereas you can't be attractive or unattractive to a robot.



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01 Dec 2012, 10:52 am

AspieRogue wrote:
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I'd love for sex robots to become common place, but I think that their will always be men who will pay real women for sex. That's because some of the johns get off on the whole power play of paying for sex. What about the guys who beat up or rape prostitutes? You won't find it as satisfying to to do that to a robot.



It seems to me that no matter how life-like robots might be, women will never be willing to have sex with them because a robot can't get a woman pregnant.


That does seem to be the downside right now. But, maybe someday, robots will be created with fully human genetic material. Or, perhaps cloning could produce a woman who will cook, clean, take care of my mother, and provide three orifices for my entertainment.



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01 Dec 2012, 10:58 am

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Women do spend huge sums of money on cosmetics, makeup, breast-augmentation surgery, cosmetic surgery, hair styles, hair colours, nails, dresses, accessories, shoes, etc. etc. Some women spend hours preening themselves in the mirror. Many even remove the hair on their legs, armpits, and other bodiy areas. What is the point of all that? Is part of the reason to make themselves attractive to men?

No, "women" do not do that. Some women do that; sometimes it is because they, like a professional football player, won the genetic lottery for the physical attributes considered 'ideal' for their sex, and they can hit the financial jackpot by capitalizing on that; some, because they've internalized the idea that looks are the only way a woman can achieve social status (similar to a male gym rat).


http://www.cbs.com/shows/big_bang_theor ... escalation

Even Amy Farrah Fowler went in for the bikini wax. :wink:



01 Dec 2012, 12:13 pm

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I'd love for sex robots to become common place, but I think that their will always be men who will pay real women for sex. That's because some of the johns get off on the whole power play of paying for sex. What about the guys who beat up or rape prostitutes? You won't find it as satisfying to to do that to a robot.


Where did you get the idea that some johns enjoy the power play when it comes to sleeping with hookers??? Ever talk to one? Sounds like another fabrication by some clueless radical feminist. Guys like that would either just become straight out rapists, or they would find a sub on craigslist.