Who actually thinks a US gun ban would work?

Page 11 of 14 [ 222 posts ] Go to page Previous 1 ... 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 Next

Do you think a US gun ban would work?

Yes	9%	[ 5 ]
No	56%	[ 31 ]
Somewhat	16%	[ 9 ]
Unsure	7%	[ 4 ]
I hate guns and have an unreasonable aversion to them!	4%	[ 2 ]
I love guns and have an unreasonable attachment to them!	4%	[ 2 ]
(Those last two were tongue in cheek)	4%	[ 2 ]

Total votes : 55

shrox
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Aug 2011
Age: 61
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,295
Location: OK let's go.

26 Dec 2012, 5:40 pm

PM wrote:

shrox wrote:

PM wrote:

shrox wrote:

OliveOilMom wrote:

shrox wrote:

Raptor wrote:

shrox wrote:

Raptor wrote:

shrox wrote:

Quote:

A gun ban is to keep people from hurting others.

In effect, a gun ban enables hurting of others.

I don't expect you to be able to understand that, though...

I really don't think you understand my point. I did not say I want a gun ban, what I am doing is exploring options. I often start from the end of the maze to solve it. I am starting from a gun ban point, and I now have many other options to explore.

The fact that you started with guns says a lot.....

Wow, you remind me of how the auto industry reacted to the Tucker automobile. Installing seat belts would be to admit there was a risk the seat belt could avert.

Nothing else can spray death like a gun. Not a knife, not an axe, not a jackhammer or electric saw or even a car.

Anthrax can. Bombs can. A nut with a bomb can kill more people than a nut with a gun. Hijacked planes can too.

Anthrax is not easy to obtain or culture for most.
Bombs are not easy to obtain or construct for most.
Planes are not easy to hijack.
Guns are easy to obtain and use.

Fertilizer mate...

By the time you get the fertilizer and the other compounds, mix them in the proper ratio, pack them, move it to the site, you could have bought your gun and used it many times over. The chance of your device failing is far greater than the gun or ammo failing. Guns are easy to obtain and use.

I forgot, fertilizer is not evil.

Guns are harder to obtain than these antidepressants that are being given out like Pez.

You can often get guns and anti-depressants in the same neighborhood, like where I lived as kid.

PM
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 14 Oct 2010
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,466
Location: Southeastern United States

26 Dec 2012, 5:46 pm

shrox wrote:

PM wrote:

shrox wrote:

PM wrote:

shrox wrote:

OliveOilMom wrote:

shrox wrote:

Raptor wrote:

shrox wrote:

Raptor wrote:

shrox wrote:

Quote:

A gun ban is to keep people from hurting others.

In effect, a gun ban enables hurting of others.

I don't expect you to be able to understand that, though...

The fact that you started with guns says a lot.....

Anthrax can. Bombs can. A nut with a bomb can kill more people than a nut with a gun. Hijacked planes can too.

Anthrax is not easy to obtain or culture for most.
Bombs are not easy to obtain or construct for most.
Planes are not easy to hijack.
Guns are easy to obtain and use.

Fertilizer mate...

I forgot, fertilizer is not evil.

Guns are harder to obtain than these antidepressants that are being given out like Pez.

You can often get guns and anti-depressants in the same neighborhood, like where I lived as kid.

Anywhere you live in the US, there will be guns, don't like it...move to the UK.

_________________
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

puddingmouse
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 24 Apr 2010
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,777
Location: Cottonopolis

26 Dec 2012, 5:46 pm

PM wrote:

Guns are harder to obtain than these antidepressants that are being given out like Pez.

Would you rather they were easier to obtain, so that more people will off themselves?

PM
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 14 Oct 2010
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,466
Location: Southeastern United States

26 Dec 2012, 5:50 pm

puddingmouse wrote:

PM wrote:

Guns are harder to obtain than these antidepressants that are being given out like Pez.

Would you rather they were easier to obtain, so that more people will off themselves?

I did not say that.

_________________
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

puddingmouse
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 24 Apr 2010
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,777
Location: Cottonopolis

26 Dec 2012, 6:20 pm

PM wrote:

puddingmouse wrote:

PM wrote:

Guns are harder to obtain than these antidepressants that are being given out like Pez.

Would you rather they were easier to obtain, so that more people will off themselves?

I did not say that.

I was just puzzled by your issue that antidepressants are easier to obtain than guns - what's wrong with that?

PM
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 14 Oct 2010
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,466
Location: Southeastern United States

26 Dec 2012, 6:56 pm

puddingmouse wrote:

PM wrote:

puddingmouse wrote:

PM wrote:

Guns are harder to obtain than these antidepressants that are being given out like Pez.

Would you rather they were easier to obtain, so that more people will off themselves?

I did not say that.

I was just puzzled by your issue that antidepressants are easier to obtain than guns - what's wrong with that?

Antidepressants are wayyyy more harmful.

However, this is coming from someone who refuses to take any medication for any reason.

_________________
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

puddingmouse
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 24 Apr 2010
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,777
Location: Cottonopolis

26 Dec 2012, 8:09 pm

Antidepressants are mainly harmful because they can cause suicidal ideation in people within the first month of taking them. They can have other side-effects but the magnitude of harmful we're talking about here is along the lines of fatality. I think the number of fatal suicide attempts facilitated by having guns around is higher than the number caused by anti-depressants (most of which are probably not fatal).

PM
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 14 Oct 2010
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,466
Location: Southeastern United States

26 Dec 2012, 8:24 pm

puddingmouse wrote:

It is not the access to a gun that causes suicide, it is the person.

With that being said, I would take freedom over safety any day.

_________________
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 89
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

26 Dec 2012, 8:34 pm

Every time there is a major horrendous shooting we go through this routine. For what?

There are 300,000,000 fire arms in the U.S. There is no way they can be confiscated or even found.

No amount of fire arm prohibition will keep them out of the hands of criminals.

The result will be the disarming of upright and innocent citizens who will be forced to depend on the police. And we know just how upright, honest and efficient the police are.

ruveyn

puddingmouse
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 24 Apr 2010
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,777
Location: Cottonopolis

26 Dec 2012, 8:35 pm

PM wrote:

puddingmouse wrote:

It is not the access to a gun that causes suicide, it is the person.

With that being said, I would take freedom over safety any day.

Access to guns increases the chance of 'successful' suicide, as it's relatively painless and quick compared to other methods with a high 'success' rate.

That's your prerogative.

vermontsavant
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,110
Location: Left WP forever

26 Dec 2012, 9:18 pm

PM wrote:

puddingmouse wrote:

It is not the access to a gun that causes suicide, it is the person.

With that being said, I would take freedom over safety any day.

very true.we could all live our lives in cacoons where nothing could ever hurt us and ban anything dangerous but what life would that be

_________________
Forever gone
Sorry I ever joined

Vexcalibur
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 17 Jan 2008
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,398

26 Dec 2012, 10:14 pm

So, 12 pages. Are we still operating under the strawman that control = ban? Oh. We are? How's that for progress?

_________________
.

PM
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 14 Oct 2010
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,466
Location: Southeastern United States

26 Dec 2012, 10:23 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:

So, 12 pages. Are we still operating under the strawman that control = ban? Oh. We are? How's that for progress?

Are you denying that gun bans deprive the citizen of free will?

_________________
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

Jacoby
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 14,284
Location: Arizona

26 Dec 2012, 10:29 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:

So, 12 pages. Are we still operating under the strawman that control = ban? Oh. We are? How's that for progress?

Make an argument, go for it.

NAKnight
Deinonychus

Joined: 30 Nov 2012
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 387
Location: Gitmo Nation Elvis

26 Dec 2012, 11:37 pm

Gun bans will not be successful. Simply because it is fundamentally against the second amendment of the U.S. Constitution:
I would like those who are against this to define the word "Gun" to the best of their knowledge.

U.S. Constitution wrote:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

If you take that statement at face value, it makes clear against the argument of banning "Guns"

Best Regards,

Jake

_________________
In The Morning to all Hams on the air, ships at sea, boots on the grounds, drones in the sky and all the Human Resources charged up and ready to go just the way the Government wants you to be..

PM
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 14 Oct 2010
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,466
Location: Southeastern United States

26 Dec 2012, 11:40 pm

NAKnight wrote:

U.S. Constitution wrote:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

If you take that statement at face value, it makes clear against the argument of banning "Guns"

Best Regards,

Jake

The gun control lobby is ignoring the "shall not be infringed" part and focusing on the"well regulated" part.

_________________
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

Page 11 of 14 [ 222 posts ] Go to page Previous 1 ... 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 Next

Jump to:

Who actually thinks a US gun ban would work? Post Reply New Topic

Who actually thinks a US gun ban would work?