Who do you support for the Democratic nomination?

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Who do you support for the Democratic nomination?

Hillary Clinton	6%	[ 3 ]
Bernie Sanders	57%	[ 31 ]
Joe Biden	0%	[ 0 ]
Jim Webb	0%	[ 0 ]
Martin O'Malley	0%	[ 0 ]
Lincoln Chafee	2%	[ 1 ]
Not voting Democrat	35%	[ 19 ]

Total votes : 54

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30 Aug 2015, 10:37 pm

auntblabby wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

never underestimate the right's knack for shooting themselves in the foot (alienating non-whites, women, working people, the young, etc) by embracing the plutocracy, the religious right, and the lunatic fringe. It certainly helps to have a charismatic Democratic candidate like Barack Obama, and hopefully Bernie Sanders in the running.

I hope anonymous keeps a sharp gorgon stare on diebold and their shenanigans in this race. all the right's dirty tricks will be out in full force.

In that case, don't be surprised by the further vilification of Anonymous by the right. I fully expect a head on "expose" on Fox.

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30 Aug 2015, 11:04 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

I hope anonymous keeps a sharp gorgon stare on diebold and their shenanigans in this race. all the right's dirty tricks will be out in full force.

In that case, don't be surprised by the further vilification of Anonymous by the right. I fully expect a head on "expose" on Fox.

for the same reason that a crook doesn't like a cop.

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30 Aug 2015, 11:07 pm

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The company fired its 18,500 employees and liquidated its assets.The assets were sold, and some employees got new jobs at the new company for lower pay. Many did not. I am sure the CEO is still filthy rich. It's a sad story about America to see such greedy workers, so out of touch with reality.

how in blazes can you say in the same breath, "I am sure the CEO is still filthy rich" AND ".... such greedy WORKERS" ??? is no amount of perfidy on the CEOs' part enough for you to stop bashing the working class?

That might have been sarcasm. At least I hope it was.

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30 Aug 2015, 11:09 pm

^^^
I believe he was speaking his mind in all seriousness.

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30 Aug 2015, 11:11 pm

If I lived in the U.S. I would pick Bernie Sanders. He's the only candidate who doesn't seem to be completely out of touch with ordinary workers, and actually has a brain between his ears (unlike Trump and the other G.O.P. morons), nor is he a sociopath like Clinton.

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30 Aug 2015, 11:16 pm

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I wished I had a copy of that English newspaper that blared on its headline, "how could 61 million americans be so stupid?" [in reaction to shrub's landslide reelection]

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30 Aug 2015, 11:16 pm

auntblabby wrote:

^^^
I believe he was speaking his mind in all seriousness.

Yes, judging by his earlier comments here in this thread, you may actually be right.

There are times when I really do feel like just doing this - :wall:

This is one of those times.

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30 Aug 2015, 11:20 pm

Lintar wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

^^^
I believe he was speaking his mind in all seriousness.

Yes, judging by his earlier comments here in this thread, you may actually be right.

There are times when I really do feel like just doing this - :wall:

This is one of those times.

I'd rather it was THEIR heads bashing the wall :lol:

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31 Aug 2015, 1:08 am

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The thing that concerns me with Bernie getting in is that some of the wingnuts might conclude that "we are one executive order away from losing our freedoms FOREVAR!! ! !!1" and decide to go on the warpath. Unlike the mid 90s, we have battle hardened former soldiers who would be willing to teach insurgency tactics to the militias. We have snipers who could pluck off politicians with ease, as at least one right wing novelist has imagined. It could get interesting.

This thought occurred to me as well....still going to vote for him though. I certainly don't want what you describe to happen but if it does so be it. I guess it will help show where people really stand at least.

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31 Aug 2015, 1:08 am

auntblabby wrote:

^^^
I believe he was speaking his mind in all seriousness.

I concur.

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31 Aug 2015, 1:43 am

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Were it up to me, if a community's well being depended on a major corporate employer, then that employer should not be allowed to leave by force of law.

Spoken like a true totalitarian.

No, I just happen to know that the elites of capitalism leave whole communities devastated when they pull up stakes - and not just their former workers now left jobless, but every small business that had depended on those workers as customers are also wiped out. What about them? Am I a terrible person because I consider the welfare of whole towns, cities, and regions to be more important than the profit margin of some soulless corporate entity? Seriously, you people on the right hold property rights above human rights, especially if that property is owned by the wealthy.

Seems these wealthy elites also think they ought to have the right to benefit from the american infrastructure and the nations over-all wealth. Yet they shouldn't have to pay taxes or have any civil responsibility? give me a f***ing break.

Then you have financially struggling/poor right wingers who care more that, the wealthy CEO can do whatever the hell he pleases than having a living wage or regulations to try and keep some jobs here instead of sending them over-seas to third world countries where they can pay people maybe a couple bucks a day to work in a sweat shop with no employee protections/rights or adequate safety conditions. So its big toltalitarian government if the government makes laws to benefit the american people rather than catering to the wealthy elite....

but its 'small' government if they can bar same sex couples the ability to be considered an official couple, ban contraceptives and abortion(in all cases), require businesses to drug test employees, start drug testing anyone on any social welfare programs(which is funny mandatory drug tests cost tax payers money), making policies that favor the wealthy elite over the american people as a whole, illegally spying on the american people...course the guy who pointed that out is a 'traitor'. This is all stuff I have heard from the right yet they claim they are for small government and freedom.

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31 Aug 2015, 1:56 am

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I wish those traitorous businesses [doing inversions and other shenanigans] could be punished somehow. the people running those entities are entirely lacking in a conscience IMHO, they put people out of work and destroy communities just to shave a buck here and there.

It's not about whether what they are doing is morally right or not but a question of where do we stop with mandating how privately owned businesses are run. Where does it stop (or start) and who gets to decide?

I'd say stop before the mandating opresses 'big buisinesses and corporations' more than your average american, so basically anything that would violate the people running the business/corporation rights granted by the U.S constitution. And prevent them from doing anything that violates the rights granted to american citizens under the constitution. I think there was a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness somewhere in there, moving all the jobs to the third world for cheap labor and paying wages that don't reflect the cost of living seem to impede on all three of those...and having more influence in the government than the average voter when it comes to effecting policys also seems to impede.

The people of america get to decide....and its the governments job to represent the american people, not 'The Corporation'...when the corporation starts effectively screwing over the vast majority of Americans, its the governments duty to act in favor of the people to protect our 'liberty and freedom' rather than just selling it to the highest bidder.

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31 Aug 2015, 1:57 am

Sweetleaf wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Humanaut wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Were it up to me, if a community's well being depended on a major corporate employer, then that employer should not be allowed to leave by force of law.

Spoken like a true totalitarian.

Very well said.

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31 Aug 2015, 2:18 am

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It's the poor that think they should get free use of the infastructure.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... o-be-fair/

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31 Aug 2015, 2:25 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

It's the poor that think they should not have to pay taxes and use get free use of the infastructure.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... o-be-fair/

Really? everyone I know is living below the poverty line for the most part...and many are paying taxes unless they are homeless or on disability. I myself being disabled and on SSI do not have to pay any income/property taxes. I still have to pay sales tax, I don't get any kind of 'get out of the sales tax' card I can present to have the sales tax waived.

But even if it was true that the poor as a whole thought that, how does it negate that the wealthy elite think that...especially when their actions clearly show it?

And your chart shows people who make $250,000 and above file the lowest amounts of tax returns, which are required by law I thought unless you are deemed as too impoverished or on something like SSI...or is it everyone who makes an income is supposed to fill them out? Either way somehow your chart just helps further prove the wealthy elite really do think they are above having any civil responsibilities. But fails to prove the poor 'think they should benefit from the infrastructure and general wealth without paying taxes or having any civil responsibilities'.

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31 Aug 2015, 2:36 am

income taxes are not the only taxes on the table here. I don't make enough to pay a bunch of income tax, but I pay a majority of my taxes for the little tin can I live in and the sales taxes on certain food items and other consumables. the sales tax where i live is roughly 9% of most dollars I spend, plus [roughly] 74 cents out of every gallon of gas that goes in my little Honda is also taxed. and so I must say that anybody who says the working class [like moi]doesn't pay taxes, AFAIC, is hablando mierdos.
p.s.- why is the $200-$250k income group skating by compared to everybody else?

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