What can we do about the high male suicide rate?

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06 Mar 2016, 8:47 pm

^I wouldn't take anything on Breitbart seriously unless it's substantiated somewhere else; it's a fraudulent website that gets its advert dollars by riling people up.



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07 Mar 2016, 2:29 pm

Here is the actual session. Decide for yourself.

http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/5d ... n=14:53:00

It seem to me more a disagreement about the differnce between representation in Parliament and the men's issues being discussed.

It is quite probable that not much time is spend on men's issues. They used to say the same of Mental Health.



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07 Mar 2016, 3:02 pm

To be fair if you think about it from her perspective her comment makes sense. She is the only woman on the entire committee so the idea that men aren't being treated equally is somewhat humorous and infurating to her.

What people need to get past is this idea that just because men have more power overall this doesn't mean that certain types of men are ignored. Notice that it wasn't just the woman laughing at him. It was also the man behind him. It's acceptable for men to laugh at other men. What's not acceptable is for a man to admit that he needs help and this goes back to what I was saying earlier. I'm talking about emotional support for suicidal men that is equal to emotional support for suicidal women. Not more not less just equal.



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07 Mar 2016, 3:28 pm

A lot of it was to do with party politics. had the proposal been made by her own party especially on her end of it, I doubt she would be more supportive. Don't be fooled, man or woman they are constantly at it with the party politicking.

She did effectively say she was going to be blocking the idea, becuase of something this committee has no control over. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Classic union tactics.

These are back benchers. They probably aren't even involved in candidacy, but that depends on the parties not the Committee.

Parliamentarians are spoilt rotten. They are supposed to be beholden to their constituents, all of their interests.

Parliamentary representation, is primarily down to party representation, and constituent representation.

Many people make assumptions about why that is.



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08 Mar 2016, 11:50 am

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I think there's something to be said for the old stoic norms of manhood. Talking about negative experiences might help, but it might also anchor it in your brain so that it becomes more difficult to move past it.

Not really. Thinking negative thoughts to yourself is far more damaging than talking about them. Also, feeling bad isn't always due to some "problem" that has to be solved. People with that mindset on depression are extremely damaging. Depression needs to be thought of more like a physical illness. Sometimes it very much is! If you have depression you can feel down and unmotivated FOR NO REASON AT ALL. It can be 100% chemical! When you have it, everything is a heavy weight and a burden on you. The simplest things are mountains to climb. You just feel run-down, period. It isn't that there is some "problem" or "experience" to talk about. It's just a matter of needing positive encouragement instead of criticism. Nobody WANTS to be depressed. It is hell.

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For many males, it's a kind of trap, where the culture encourages them to talk about their feelings, and then when they do, they feel like they've lost self respect as well as the respect of the listener.

Except the culture doesn't encourage men to talk about certain feelings. Only certain things are permitted. Grieving over a lost family member is permitted. Talking about your own pain is not.



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08 Mar 2016, 6:20 pm

In the U S A you can take Mental Health First Aid.


It's similar to medical first aid.
It won't turn you into a counselor or therapist.

It does give you concrete things to look for and actions.

This does not include noticing and vocalizing your wife picking up some of your spectrum behavior.
(Above sentence sort of tongue in cheek and reminder to this writer)

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13 Mar 2016, 5:27 am

Remembering Kieth Emerson



You can see his hand was crippled through a degenerative disorder.

It makes me think of Oscar Peterson post stroke.



What he was capable in prime with both hands



Few people on earth have that coordination.