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22 Jul 2016, 7:13 pm

a candidate's foreign policy likely won't directly affect me, but said candidate's domestic policy will. that is why billary will get my vote.



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22 Jul 2016, 7:22 pm

Clinton/Kaine are the pro-TPP candidates, pawns of Wall Street

Open borders and unlimited immigration including hundreds of thousands of refugees we cannot vet coming from battlefield our enemies fight upon.

they makes us poorer and less safe



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22 Jul 2016, 7:28 pm

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If people want to defend Hillary on policy then it is a discussion we can have but it's not one any of her supporters want to have especially when it comes to foreign policy and her time as Secretary of State or as a US Senator.


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You tend to focus on the worst aspects of a candidate so her incompetence might get overshadowed by her corruption, criminality, and total lack of ethics. You fight fire with fire, simple as that.


How do you conclude I focus on the worst aspects of candidates when I named a good aspects of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton (as well as Hitler, Pol Pot, and Saddam Hussein)?

It was you was unable to name a good aspect of the candidate you oppose. Did you not know she was very active in children's rights advocacy?


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Would you like to talk about Hillary's foreign policy? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Hillary has contributed a great deal to the rise of ISIS thru her support of the Iraq War, the destabilizing intervention into Libya, and our disastrous policy in Syria. Her sabrerattling against Russia is something I totally oppose and rapprochement with Russia is central to what I believe needs to be done which is a position that Trump is actually attacked for from these people.


You may if you want, but as opposed as I was to the second war in Iraq, and as much as I wish our country was not involved in these foreign conflicts, starting a war and ending a war are two different things, and I find it hard to fault any politician in being involved in an inherited war or military conflict. To that end, I do not think Donald Trump will be successful in abstracting us from it, if that is even his intention.

War is only over when both parties decide it's over.



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22 Jul 2016, 7:38 pm

Hillary voted for the war in Iraq, discounting her own bad decisions while Secretary of State in Libya and Syria as one of the main contributing factors in this instability across the Middle East, you can't claim it was inherited. She is fundamentally wrong on foreign policy and the results speak for themselves. The typical neoconservative Republican might not be able to argue this but I consider Hillary's foreign policy an analogue to theirs, Trump vanquishing them is one of the main reasons I think he's legit.



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22 Jul 2016, 7:47 pm

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald ... -iraq-war/

It looks like Trump tacitly supported the Iraq war 6 months before it started. He only came out against it after it started. And Trump is the nominee of the party that started the war.



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22 Jul 2016, 7:52 pm

it could be ned flanders or kang and kodos for all I care about the politicians involved, it is the party that concerns me, and I am a single-issue voter: health care is my issue. the GOP historically has been quite hostile to the concept of working class folk having affordable health care (such is "socialized medicine!" in their blinkered view), whereas the democratic party has been more helpful to me in that regard, MUCH more helpful.



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22 Jul 2016, 7:58 pm

Lukeda420 wrote:
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/

It looks like Trump tacitly supported the Iraq war 6 months before it started. He only came out against it after it started. And Trump is the nominee of the party that started the war.


Democrats that voted for the war are just as responsible, Hillary got the classified intelligence information while Trump was a private citizen and got the same war drum news reports we got. He opposed the war far more than Hillary did, 3 words on Howard Stern doesn't change that. We were lied to and Hillary should of known better but she was one of the primary backers of that war. Now what about everything since?

Trump's foreign policy so easily trumps Hillary's it's not even funny



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22 Jul 2016, 9:49 pm

It's one of his strengths, if you can't see that and somehow think Hillary's record there is somehow defensible and better I'd like to hear how.

Someone that opposed the War in Iraq as early as Trump did when it appeared to be a stunning success deserves a lot of credit, you can't admit anything positive about Trump can you?



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22 Jul 2016, 10:27 pm

Jacoby wrote:
It's one of his strengths, if you can't see that and somehow think Hillary's record there is somehow defensible and better I'd like to hear how.

Someone that opposed the War in Iraq as early as Trump did when it appeared to be a stunning success deserves a lot of credit, you can't admit anything positive about Trump can you?


No, I could. What's the point though, you won't say anything good about Clinton. Give me a positive trait about her and I'll respond in kind. And no Trump deserves no credit, he just shoots his mouth off and says what ever he thinks the rubes want to here.

How do you figure that Trump's constant flip-flops are one of his strengths? Seriously start backing up your claims with some substance.



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22 Jul 2016, 11:03 pm

He didn't 'flip flop' on Iraq, you're holding him to a ridiculous standard you won't hold Hillary to who actually voted for and enthusiastically supported the war. If you opposed the War in Iraq as early as Trump did then you opposed the war. That was before we knew what the insurgency would become and that there were no weapons of mass destruction. His positions on NATO are bold, turning our focus back to this country and putting America first is something I strongly support

As for Hillary, what should I give her praise for? What am I missing in her record? You tell me.



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22 Jul 2016, 11:12 pm

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He didn't 'flip flop' on Iraq, you're holding him to a ridiculous standard you won't hold Hillary to who actually voted for and enthusiastically supported the war. If you opposed the War in Iraq as early as Trump did then you opposed the war. That was before we knew what the insurgency would become and that there were no weapons of mass destruction. His positions on NATO are bold, turning our focus back to this country and putting America first is something I strongly support

As for Hillary, what should I give her praise for? What am I missing in her record? You tell me.


Why don't you actually look at the links I posted?



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22 Jul 2016, 11:15 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
He didn't 'flip flop' on Iraq, you're holding him to a ridiculous standard you won't hold Hillary to who actually voted for and enthusiastically supported the war. If you opposed the War in Iraq as early as Trump did then you opposed the war. That was before we knew what the insurgency would become and that there were no weapons of mass destruction. His positions on NATO are bold, turning our focus back to this country and putting America first is something I strongly support

As for Hillary, what should I give her praise for? What am I missing in her record? You tell me.


Why don't you actually look at the links I posted?


I did look at your first one about you posted a few back and responded to it. They're all about Trump tho, you asked me to say something positive about Hillary. You know I feel about a lot of issues so what am I am missing that I should be giving her credit for?



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22 Jul 2016, 11:33 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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He didn't 'flip flop' on Iraq, you're holding him to a ridiculous standard you won't hold Hillary to who actually voted for and enthusiastically supported the war. If you opposed the War in Iraq as early as Trump did then you opposed the war. That was before we knew what the insurgency would become and that there were no weapons of mass destruction. His positions on NATO are bold, turning our focus back to this country and putting America first is something I strongly support

As for Hillary, what should I give her praise for? What am I missing in her record? You tell me.


Why don't you actually look at the links I posted?


I did look at your first one about you posted a few back and responded to it. They're all about Trump tho, you asked me to say something positive about Hillary. You know I feel about a lot of issues so what am I am missing that I should be giving her credit for?


What are you talking about? The articles I posted list the litany of flip flops Trump has made. And I didn't ask you to say something positive about Clinton, that was Chronos.

Why don't you ever post links to back up what you're saying?



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22 Jul 2016, 11:37 pm

ugh no dude you did ask me to give a positive trait about Hillary like literally 5 posts up lol



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22 Jul 2016, 11:44 pm

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ugh no dude you did ask me to give a positive trait about Hillary like literally 5 posts up lol


How did you misunderstand that. Chronos asked you to name a positive trait about Clinton. You wouldn't. Then you said "you can't admit anything positive about Trump can you?" So I then said I could but I won't until you admit something positive about Clinton. So no I didn't ask you you do that. I can't believe I had to explain that.