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19 Nov 2016, 3:50 am

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Well for many people they can tolerate someone with a different opinion than them. Provided they keep it under the rug and do not mention it etc. You can keep a friendship with people of different political opinions, it just might be good not to talk politics allot of the time.


Of course, but this IS the political discussion board.
Well what right do we have to try and point out someone's ignorance if someone was just expressing their beliefs.


What right I have is called freedom of speech. The question isn't what right I have, but what is the morality of doing such. Pretty much EVERYTHING is just a belief. Truth is there is no such thing as "just a belief" because belief's inspire action, otherwise they are dead, and if a belief is true the action it inspires will be good, while if it's false the action it inspires with be bad because it's not in harmony with reality. Thus beliefs based on falsehoods ought to be challenged.


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19 Nov 2016, 4:16 am

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Well for many people they can tolerate someone with a different opinion than them. Provided they keep it under the rug and do not mention it etc. You can keep a friendship with people of different political opinions, it just might be good not to talk politics allot of the time.


Of course, but this IS the political discussion board.
Well what right do we have to try and point out someone's ignorance if someone was just expressing their beliefs.


What right I have is called freedom of speech. The question isn't what right I have, but what is the morality of doing such. Pretty much EVERYTHING is just a belief. Truth is there is no such thing as "just a belief" because belief's inspire action, otherwise they are dead, and if a belief is true the action it inspires will be good, while if it's false the action it inspires with be bad because it's not in harmony with reality. Thus beliefs based on falsehoods ought to be challenged.
You are entitled just like any of those people to share their viewpoint.But so long as falsehoods aren't fatal for society why should we challenge them?

I do believe thier is an absolute truth but some people just don't deserve to be lectured by your truth it is just for many people creates conflict and makes them feel down. For me at least people don't need to know the absolute truth to anyhthing to live a good life that does not harm others, they just need to master basics e.g. don't be mean to others.



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19 Nov 2016, 4:25 am

You know Ganondox I think we might have some common ground on some issues. I personally don't like the thought of ignorant people voting for a candidate say like Trump and I think society should work to gain a handle on stopping this kind of ignorance from spreading to begin with.



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19 Nov 2016, 4:43 am

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You know Ganondox I think we might have some common ground on some issues. I personally don't like the thought of ignorant people voting for a candidate say like Trump and I think society should work to gain a handle on stopping this kind of ignorance from spreading to begin with.


And this is what I'm getting at. I also agree with you that there are times that it really isn't the best to try to drive the truth because the act of doing so will do more harm than good, but if allowing the ignorance to go unchallenged results in real harm then there is a moral obligation to challenge it.


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19 Nov 2016, 5:05 am

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You know Ganondox I think we might have some common ground on some issues. I personally don't like the thought of ignorant people voting for a candidate say like Trump and I think society should work to gain a handle on stopping this kind of ignorance from spreading to begin with.


And this is what I'm getting at. I also agree with you that there are times that it really isn't the best to try to drive the truth because the act of doing so will do more harm than good, but if allowing the ignorance to go unchallenged results in real harm then there is a moral obligation to challenge it.
Yeah but I don't think personal confrontation is the way to address that. The majority of times people only become more staunchly entrenched in their beliefs and at times as well can be feel humiliated or stupid at having their ignorance exposed. I think a good way of addressing the problem would be to have a more controlled media.



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19 Nov 2016, 5:10 am

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You know Ganondox I think we might have some common ground on some issues. I personally don't like the thought of ignorant people voting for a candidate say like Trump and I think society should work to gain a handle on stopping this kind of ignorance from spreading to begin with.


And this is what I'm getting at. I also agree with you that there are times that it really isn't the best to try to drive the truth because the act of doing so will do more harm than good, but if allowing the ignorance to go unchallenged results in real harm then there is a moral obligation to challenge it.
Yeah but I don't think personal confrontation is the way to address that. The majority of times people only become more staunchly entrenched in their beliefs and at times as well can be feel humiliated or stupid at having their ignorance exposed. I think a good way of addressing the problem would be to have a more controlled media.


Problem with the more controlled media is then people will starting distrusting it because they think it's all propaganda. There is no winning with some people. :P


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19 Nov 2016, 5:13 am

Ganondox wrote:
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You know Ganondox I think we might have some common ground on some issues. I personally don't like the thought of ignorant people voting for a candidate say like Trump and I think society should work to gain a handle on stopping this kind of ignorance from spreading to begin with.


And this is what I'm getting at. I also agree with you that there are times that it really isn't the best to try to drive the truth because the act of doing so will do more harm than good, but if allowing the ignorance to go unchallenged results in real harm then there is a moral obligation to challenge it.
Yeah but I don't think personal confrontation is the way to address that. The majority of times people only become more staunchly entrenched in their beliefs and at times as well can be feel humiliated or stupid at having their ignorance exposed. I think a good way of addressing the problem would be to have a more controlled media.


Problem with the more controlled media is then people will starting distrusting it because they think it's all propaganda. There is no winning with some people. :P
The media can be controlled to a certain level but still be unbiased and present the opinions on two sides can't it?

If your worried about control you should be more worried about how the media is now rather than my idea for it. In a world whereby misinformation can be spread so easily we need to be concerned.



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19 Nov 2016, 10:32 am

What a joke- people are now going to Starbucks and asking Trump be written on a cup (as a way to protest someone that whined about how they wouldn't write Trump on his cup). Starbucks gets more money and attention due to this. Also last time I checked- writing a name on a cup wasnt a law they had to do. But I guess it shows you- people can be sore winners in the election, so they act immaturely over a name on a cup. Plus they have to have their precious Starbucks. :roll:



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19 Nov 2016, 8:26 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
You know Ganondox I think we might have some common ground on some issues. I personally don't like the thought of ignorant people voting for a candidate say like Trump and I think society should work to gain a handle on stopping this kind of ignorance from spreading to begin with.


And this is what I'm getting at. I also agree with you that there are times that it really isn't the best to try to drive the truth because the act of doing so will do more harm than good, but if allowing the ignorance to go unchallenged results in real harm then there is a moral obligation to challenge it.
Yeah but I don't think personal confrontation is the way to address that. The majority of times people only become more staunchly entrenched in their beliefs and at times as well can be feel humiliated or stupid at having their ignorance exposed. I think a good way of addressing the problem would be to have a more controlled media.


Problem with the more controlled media is then people will starting distrusting it because they think it's all propaganda. There is no winning with some people. :P
The media can be controlled to a certain level but still be unbiased and present the opinions on two sides can't it?

If your worried about control you should be more worried about how the media is now rather than my idea for it. In a world whereby misinformation can be spread so easily we need to be concerned.


Nothing can be entirely unbiased, but it can be made to be more or less unbiased by adhering to guidelines. However, the issue isn't it actually being biased, it's being perceived as being biased by those with strong opinions.


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