Did we really land on the Moon?
EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
It's been nearly 50 years since the Apollo 11 mission.
It seems hard to believe 50 years ago we had the technology and capability to achieve this. Things were very primitive then compared to now technologically. Yet these days a craft capable of just going out into space is nonexistent. No other country has managed it or even attempted it. There's talk of private business offering space flight in the future. Here it is about 50 later since we supposedly ventured out into space, and yet these days manned craft going out into space beyond the Van Allen belts something that might take place in the future.
It seems hard to believe 50 years ago we had the technology and capability to achieve this. Things were very primitive then compared to now technologically. Yet these days a craft capable of just going out into space is nonexistent. No other country has managed it or even attempted it. There's talk of private business offering space flight in the future. Here it is about 50 later since we supposedly ventured out into space, and yet these days manned craft going out into space beyond the Van Allen belts something that might take place in the future.
Dear Ezra, stop believing these nonsense when I read your posts at wrongplanet.net, I have always had you too smart kid, although you are probably an adult now, I would have liked to read your thoughts, I had you as an open minded person, but by such posts as This one, I'm starting to doubt it
You may also write that "the Earth is a flat disk" based on four crocodiles (In this version, believed by the ancient Egyptians.
Apollo's design technology was very simple; from today, every modern pocket calculator has more computational power than Apollo's computer, but people landed on the moon, just as the Vikings landed in North America in 980, and Columbus repeated their feat in 1492. 512 years later.
As for the Van Allana belts, here you have some interesting materials
The apollo programme(discussion + analysis of conspiracy theories)
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I wasn't claiming humas can't pass the van allen belts. I'm saying for a period of nearly half a century no human has gone out that far. There's been well over 100 space missions between America and Russia since Apollo. Yet none of them has ever ventured out past a certain point.
The constant claim is no one can afford to go into outer space one more time, and yet there have over 100 space missions. This is all factual. I think a demonstration of not being open minded and not using intellect, would be to never adress facts or wonder about certain things.
NASA stopped sending manned missions to the moon because the political will ended, the United States sent people to the moon, only to humiliate the Soviet Union.
You see Dear Ezra, because you Americans, because of what I know, you are American, and you like to have the best, the most modern and best toys that are technically possible
And here, such a Soviet Union, not just communist, but regarded as technologically backward, whose economy was primarily based on agriculture, first sent its first satellite, Sputnik 1, then the first artificial satellite with live animal, dog Lajka (though The passenger of this adventure never goes to earth back alive
Then the first two live survivors of the space flight, Belka and Strelka, in the prototype of the VOSTOK spacecraft, then in the next VOSTOK flight (VOSTOK 1 mission), Yuri Gagarin becomes the first man in space and First man on Orbit, the first cosmonaut (astronaut), you barely had chance to beat Russian into Space, launching Alan Shepard flight even trough was only sub-orbital but overcautious Von Braun (the very the same Von Braun that build V-2 rockets for HER Hitler
The United States has only begun to overtake the Soviet Union when you started the Project Gemini
As for the moon mission itself, it was more about national prestige than on some specific scientific goals when Apollo 11 landed on the US taxpayers, lost their interest in financing this expensive project.
And the Russians also lost interest in sending some manned missions to the moon from their arch rivals, the Americans were there before them, and concentrated on their project of a crew space station to prepare their cosmonauts for the Mars mission mission.
Some historian said that Race to The moon was biggest pardon expression dick wrangling between USA and USSR
Thanks to the God, we are living in quiet times, and when superpowers offended each other, and now, all the countries including my country, we can explore space through such accomplishments as the International Space Station (ISS), which as its name implies has come from international co-operation.
Why does going out into space either have to be in orbit or all the way to the moon? Why didn't they ever fly a little further out into the van allen belts and back to orbit to take a reading or whatever? I think until there's a 21st century flight that goes further out than the orbital safety zone, there's going to be some room for doubt for some people. They need more than stuff like youtube videos from Amy the all-around space history nerd, to convince them. Maybe SpaceX will solve that. But I'm somewhat doubtful that's going to happen any time soon. I'm expecting delays. Lots of delays. Delays and excuses.
EzraS wrote:
Why does going out into space either have to be in orbit or all the way to the moon? Why didn't they ever fly a little further out into the van allen belts and back to orbit to take a reading or whatever? I think until there's a 21st century flight that goes further out than the orbital safety zone, there's going to be some room for doubt for some people. They need more than stuff like youtube videos from Amy the all-around space history nerd, to convince them. Maybe SpaceX will solve that. But I'm somewhat doubtful that's going to happen any time soon. I'm expecting delays. Lots of delays. Delays and excuses.
There is no point in going to the space between low orbit and the Moon with a manned mission unless there is a destination like he Moon to go to. If they needed to just take a reading then probes can easily do that, we have hundreds of satellites out there past low orbit.
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EzraS wrote:
It keeps sounding like there's really no purpose in space missions period. No real purpose in going to the moon so it really doesn't matter if it was faked or not. None of it matters. Which I'm learning is the case with many if not most things.
One could also argue that humans were crazy for sending boats out into the sea in search of new lands many of which never returned. During those times stories were told about what undiscovered wonders and horrors may be waiting out there beyond the horizon in the sea and in distant lands, and that just made people more curious. Unfortunately we ran out of Earth to explore so now we are looking to space, telling stories about what undiscovered wonders and horrors may be waiting up there beyond the atmosphere in space and on distant worlds. With the technology we develop we can live on other worlds and maybe even make them like Earth. We could answer questions about the origin of life and weather we are alone in the universe.
Our planet is fragile. We are causing a lot of harm by causing climate change, and a rouge asteroid could make quick work of our species. If we just remain on Earth without even trying to leave then we are vulnerable, but becoming a multi-planetary society would be pretty amazing and we can never do it if we don't try, even if our first steps are just putting a few footprints on an alien world.
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kraftiekortie wrote:
We have to take risks in life sometimes.
I probably wouldn't have wanted to go to sea in the Age of Exploration---but I understand why people did so.
I probably wouldn't have wanted to go to sea in the Age of Exploration---but I understand why people did so.
I like to think that I would like to be one of those mad men who readily hops on a boat knowing it may not return. I'm already the kind of person who would probably agree to go on a one way trip to Mars to help colonize it given the opportunity.
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I like to think that I would like to be one of those mad men who readily hops on a boat knowing it may not return...
Columbus believed the earth was round, but I have heard he still positioned someone high on a perch to watch for the edge so they would know to quickly turn around before going over!
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mikeman7918 wrote:
Our planet is fragile.
It's actually quite resilient. There have been a number of mass extinctions caused by all sorts of things over the aeons, and it is believed that approx. 99.9% of all life that ever lived is now extinct. We, by the way, were not responsible for any of that, because it was long, long before we were around.
mikeman7918 wrote:
We are causing a lot of harm by causing climate change, and a rouge asteroid could make quick work of our species.
Sigh... No, we are not. "Climate change" took place long before we were here as a species. Unless, of course, you believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, and that Noah's flood (which, by the sound of it, was a real climate catastrophe) was brought about by the actions of mankind (i.e. sin).
leejosepho wrote:
mikeman7918 wrote:
I like to think that I would like to be one of those mad men who readily hops on a boat knowing it may not return...
Columbus believed the earth was round, but I have heard he still positioned someone high on a perch to watch for the edge so they would know to quickly turn around before going over!
You can be sure this is only a myth, because the spherical nature of the Earth has been known from the time Eratosthenes demonstrated it.
Lintar wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
mikeman7918 wrote:
I like to think that I would like to be one of those mad men who readily hops on a boat knowing it may not return...
Columbus believed the earth was round, but I have heard he still positioned someone high on a perch to watch for the edge so they would know to quickly turn around before going over!
You can be sure this is only a myth, because the spherical nature of the Earth has been known from the time Eratosthenes demonstrated it.
The educated elite of Europe knew the world was round for 2000 years. Erasthones (using a simple technique) was able to calculate the circumference to within five percent accuracy in 200 BC. And the debate Columbus had with the crowned heads of Europe he was hitting up for grant money was not about the shape of the earth but the size. Columbus was actually wrong in thinking that the earth was a lot smaller than it really is. He thought Japan must all of 600 miles west of the Azores.
But a fifteenth century person might have been only 90 percent sure of the earth's roundness. He might have been hedging his bets. But Ive never heard that story before. I knew that he offered gold dubloons to the sailor who first sighted land. And as it turned out he himself was the first shipmate to site land so he didn't have to pay out. But I dunnno about this edge of the earth thing. Might be true. But I doubt it.
Lintar wrote:
It's actually quite resilient. There have been a number of mass extinctions caused by all sorts of things over the aeons, and it is believed that approx. 99.9% of all life that ever lived is now extinct. We, by the way, were not responsible for any of that, because it was long, long before we were around.
I should have probably made myself more clear but that was exactly my point. Life it's self is very resilient, many species of microorganisms can even survive in the vacuum of space, and in reference to the topic of the post many bacteria were even found to have survived on the cameras placed on the outside of the Apollo lunar module which were brought back to Earth. Individual species are fragile though and extinctions happen all the time, and one species that may go extinct sooner rather then later if we do nothing about it is humanity.
Lintar wrote:
Sigh... No, we are not. "Climate change" took place long before we were here as a species. Unless, of course, you believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, and that Noah's flood (which, by the sound of it, was a real climate catastrophe) was brought about by the actions of mankind (i.e. sin).
No, I don't believe any of that at all. Yes, climate changes over time naturally but these changes are very slow. It takes literally thousands of years for the average global temperature to change a single degree Celsius naturally but then right as we started burning coal on an industrial scale the temperature started shooting up hundreds of times faster then that and it has only gotten faster since in proportion with the amount of fossil fuel that we have been burning. Coincidence? I think not. I just hope that we don't start a run away greenhouse effect, because that's what happened to the planet Venus even though it's in the habitable zone of the Sun.
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leejosepho wrote:
Columbus believed the earth was round, but I have heard he still positioned someone high on a perch to watch for the edge so they would know to quickly turn around before going over!
it stands to reason that he thought it was round because he was trying to sail west to india which was calculated to be a faster journey if there was no land in the way. (the original way was around the bottom of africa which was an extreme deviation from a direct line).
so the west indies was discovered and new opportunities opened up.
whatever.
if he had a man high up in the crows nest looking for a looming "edge of the world", then he surely must have considered that the chances of resisting the pull of the immense waterfall that must be there would be nil.
in fact, i wonder if, before common man actually was sure the world was round, anyone wondered why the oceans are still full.
surely they must all spill over the sides of the edge and be emptied rapidly.
it seems that even i would have wondered that if i was educated to believe the world was flat.
in fact as i think about it, it was possible that some theorized that the world had a mountainous perimeter that prevented the water from escaping.
some may have even considered that the land went on a plane forever, but then how does the sun go through it in order to pop up out of it and circle the earth every day.
another curiosity is that in the days of the geocentric beliefs where they thought that all the heavenly bodies revolved around the earth, the models they constructed to demonstrate this had the earth as a spherical orb in the middle of it.
not some flat plane in the middle of it all.

